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X100T... Should I ? :(

Discussion in 'This or That? (MFT only)' started by tg9413, Sep 21, 2015.

  1. tg9413

    tg9413 Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 12, 2014
    Hi folks,
    I am in a bit of dilemma now. I've been a M43 shooter since I start learning photography, and mainly doing astro landscape / kids and some random street shots. For the first two things, the oly 12mm and the PL25 is doing a wonder right now.
    The only thing I can't quiet find the exact one I want is the street part. I know the PL25 should do just fine, but it's a bit too heavy and long to let it hang around my wrist for a full day. I went through the 15mm(a bit too wide and long in physical size), the 20mm(focus breathing annoyed the hell out of me), the oly 17 (just don't like it... XD ) and sold them all.
    Then comes the devil... I tried the x100t over the weekend, and really start to like it. The menu is a bit confusing compare with Panny, but once get used to, it's really no big deal. With the build in ND filter and the leaf shutter, it is capable of doing some crazy shots in the bright sun light also, where I have to carry bunch of other things along with me to achieve the same thing with my GX7/GX1. and the low profile lens makes it fit in my belt pouch nicely. ( that's the main thing I have wit the PL15... it's just a tag too long else I can just be happy and corp the crap out of my pics.... )
    But yea... if I have a EM1/EM5 type of M43 body I probably wouldn't even have a 2nd though and just get the X100t, but this is over lapping with my M43 body badly. Now that the GX7 is not worth that much anymore let alone the GX1. I may fetch about 350 for the GX7 body, but will end up leaving me with just a GX1, so I end up have to shell out more money to get a updated m43 body like EM1/EM5 mkii. Talking about going down the rabbit hole lol.....

    someone please talk me out of this non-sense .... or what would you do in this case :(
     
  2. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    When you say the "focus breathing" on the 20mm/1.7 annoyed you - what exactly do you mean? Do you mean focus hunting, not breathing? Since the focus mechanism on the 20mm/1.7 moves the whole lens assembly in and out, so it specifically avoids breathing. If it's just slow AF that was the problem, that's understandable I guess, though I find it's really quick with the GX1 if I use the touchscreen.

    What are the specific things that you want out of the X100T? Is it just a lens to bond with? Because though you keep mentioning the size, the X100T is no smaller than your GX1 with the 20mm, and only a little smaller than the GX1 and Oly 17/1.8 or 25/1.8. Maybe just get a slightly deeper belt pouch if that's the issue.

    But if you don't like the lens options at your disposal, then you don't like them, and there's not much to do to convince you.
     
  3. tg9413

    tg9413 Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 12, 2014
    Yea I guess that's the right word for the 20mm, The front element movement, it's obvious to me during the movement. sometimes I can even feel it when it was in my bag and the camera goes to sleep or wake, and that noise actually actually caught in video also.

    Size wise, yea that was the only thing I kept the GX1 back when I got the GX7. It is still more pocket-able than the GX7. I guess I am just looking for a minimal set up for days I go out on the street. X100T pretty much have the complete package in a good form factor. The leaf shutter with ND filter, and the low profile lens, and something different in color profiling than panny. But seeing the refresh cycle for the X100 series is up in about 6 month or so, I may just get a 15mm to corp it with and wait till the next refreshment to see if there is anything bigger to warrant such a move...
     
  4. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    Well, if none of the 15/1.7, 17/1.8, 20/1.7 or 14/2.5 work for you, then it'll have to be an X100T. Personally, I don't like the X-trans sensor (NR that can't be turned off, indifferent support from raw converters, poor handling of greens, odd artefacts on some image features) - but each to their own!
     
  5. BigTam

    BigTam Mu-43 Top Veteran

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  7. tg9413

    tg9413 Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 12, 2014
    whoa I didnt know camerasize can do compare with lens on also :O nice tip there! Thanks!
     
  8. emmef2

    emmef2 Mu-43 Regular

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    Italia
    I have an E-P5 and the X100s and actually after almost two years I am considering selling the X100s, because it seems I can accomplish the same with a 17mm-20mm lens on the Olympus:

    1) The 23mm lens on the fuji is good but not outstanding and the overall image quality between the two cameras is, on a practical standpoint, very similar
    2) AF on the fuji is noticeably slower and worse in low light, but keep in mind this is for the X100s
    3) the EVF (VF-4) of the Olympus is better
    3) the Fuji has slightly more DR but once you got to know your system, you can better nail exposure and highlights headroom using the live visualization of shadows and highlights on the Olympus

    What I love of the X100s is the hybrid OVF/EVF viewfinder that is a real gem, the silent leaf shutter and the classic look
     
  9. rbelyell

    rbelyell Mu-43 Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2013
    Mountains of NY
    i have both an x100 and m4/3. they each have their strengths, but the m4/3 strength is not street photography as it has been classically done--by zone focusing. for this, the x100 excels, and this is helped even further as you note by the silent shutter.

    however, i also agree with the post that had issues with the xtrans sensor. so my advice, which i think fits really well with your financial situation, is buy a used original x100. outside of the split screen manual focus aid and a couple more mps, the x100 does everything the x100t can do, only with a nicer, imo, bayer sensor and its much much less expensive. i never miss the extra mps. i love the rendering, the easy RAW processing, the b&w tones and lowlight ability of the original x100.
     
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  10. demiro

    demiro Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Nov 7, 2010
    Enabler alert...enabler alert...

    There is an X100T on sale at FM for $750. Buy, try and re-sell if it doesn't work out for you. :) FS: $750 Fuji X100T

    Please don't take this as an endorsement of the seller. I don't know him; am not vouching for him.
     
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  11. alex66

    alex66 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    If you fancy trying it and have the money for it then give it a go, perhaps buy one used so if you find it does not live up to your expectations you can sell it for a small loss.
     
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  12. tyrphoto

    tyrphoto Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 25, 2014
    Seoul | NYC
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    I shoot both an E-M5 Mk.II along with an X100T (as well as the original X100 and Ricoh GR Digital III). All are great cameras and I love each one of them. I also find I shoot the E-M5 Mk.II and X100T equally as much. They have different sets of strengths and weaknesses that compliments each other very well.

    Things I love about my X100T:
    - UI and haptics. While each photographer is different, the UI and haptics are outstanding for the way I shoot. With a thumb grip (I use a Match Technical), the camera also feels much more comfortable to hold than my E-M5 Mk.II and my previous E-M1.
    - Very sharp lens. Wide open it's slightly soft but sharpens up nicely by f2.8.
    - The leaf shutter has two enormous advantages. One it's pretty much dead silent. Second is the ability to sync at high speeds when using strobes.
    - Love the output, both color and monochrome. The X-Trans sensor is either something you'll love or hate. People talk about Olympus colors and people talk about Fuji colors. Both are great but different in their rendering. For me, Olympus has more "pop" but the Fuji, for lack of a better word, is a bit more "organic".
    - Built-in ND filter is a godsend on bright, sunny days.
    - Love the dedicated EV dial.
    - Love/hate the "Power On/Off" switch. I love the positioning of it as it surrounds the shutter button which means I can turn the camera on easily with one hand and be ready to shoot. What I hate is that the detent is too soft and requires very little effort to turn on or off. In fact, the switch is much softer than my X100 as well as the X-T1, which I find has the right amount of resistance.
    - Love the hybrid viewfinder that can be used as both an OVF with digital overlays or as a pure EVF. I also appreciate dearly that when in EVF mode and shooting in portrait orientation, all of the display info also rotates. I wish that Olympus would incorporate this in a firmware update.
    - Speaking of firmware updates, Fuji is probably the most proactive company in terms of giving it's users frequent firmware updates, even with it's older cameras.
    - Love the Q Menu system, even more so than Olympus' SCP. By going into the Q Menu, I can access a total of seven different custom sets very quickly and easily.
    - Much easier to assign custom button functions. By pressing and holding a button, it brings up a menu with all of the functions that can be assigned to that specific button instead of having to dig thru the menu to assign a custom function.
    - Love that it's a very simple fixed lens camera but also can be expanded to a three focal length system by purchasing the 28mm WCL-X100 wide conversion lens as well as the 50mm TCL-X100 tele conversion lens. In fact, 28/35/50 are my three favorite focal lengths. However, I do prefer 28mm and 50mm over 35mm so I shoot my X100T with the WCL-X100 pretty much all of the time.
    - Although there's no distance scale on the lens, I do appreciate that a distance scale pops on the screen when I switch the camera to MF.
    - Love the film simulations. Unlike most cameras that have various simulations or color settings, the Fuji film simulations are quite natural and reminiscent of the of the film that they are emulating. And yes, the Classic Chrome simulation is all that it's cracked up to be. Although I'm a RAW shooter, unlike my other cameras, I shoot the X100T in RAW + JPEG only because I appreciate the JPEG output as sometimes it gives me a direction to go with in my post processing.
    - The menu system is much easier to navigate than the Olympus.

    I shoot quite a bit of street photography and when I do so, my go to camera is the X100T or my Ricoh. For me, the X100T is a keeper. So much so that I'm eagerly awaiting the X-Pro2 to get into Fuji ILC cameras as well as looking forward to the next revision of the X100T (X100F or X200?). Hopefully, they'll add a few new features that would make the camera even better like weather resistance, a dedicated ISO dial maybe stacked underneath the shutter speed dial, a distance scale on the lens as well as a fatter MF ring even if they have to make the lens a bit longer.

    Again, I shoot both m43 and the Fuji and I think the two systems compliment each other quite well.

    And now for some camera porn. :biggrin:

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  13. Steven

    Steven Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 25, 2012
    USA
    I have the same m43 cams as you plus the X100. I think they work well together. Be careful though , you may like the Fuji output too much :) The look and the colors are very very nice, though Gx7 is much improved compared to Gx1 in that regard . Every so often , I do think about switching to Fuji completely :)
     
  14. tg9413

    tg9413 Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 12, 2014
    Thanks all for the comments and thoughts.
    I did try the x100t over the weekend, not for long but can already feel this is more like a toy camera. By toy I don't mean cheap or anything, it's just plenty fun and playful compare to GX7. Kinda like having a nice automatic car, but then you want some manual action. And it's just right form factor.
    One thing that really caught me over the weekend when I was using the camera is I can do F2 shots under direct bright sunlight and have the built in flash to act as a fill flash to lit the object. This is something I could never do with GX7 at least not by having to bring extra ND filter, strobes etc... I have to admit, this is not a must have type of camera while having a GX7 at my side, but that little fun factor just makes it so teasing... XD Maybe I will check around for a cheap good x100s to just satisfy that .
     
  15. D MATIC

    D MATIC Mu-43 Regular

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    Jul 18, 2012
    You sound like you already made the decision. Just get the Fuji! haha

    But you said you didn't like the O17? Isn't the O17 the same FOV as the lens on the X100? Also maybe another option is to upgrade your GX1 to a GM5?
     
  16. When you already own Micro 4/3 equipment, it seems somewhat backwards to me for you to buy another type of camera specifically for street photography.
     
  17. DigitalD

    DigitalD Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jan 10, 2014
    Miami
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    I'll play both sides for you. One side says, just get your hands on the fuji. Are able to rent? Not sure what part of the world you are in but if you can I would try that. Another way is to buy from a reputable company with a decent return policy. Try it for a week, and if it isn't what you think return it. No harm in that if your careful with it IMO. Im big on having a system that 'speaks' to you. If you bond with it your work will be better in the end. Trying to rationalize it will just waste your time :D

    The other side is, you seem somewhat picky and finding very small faults with the system you already have to justify trying another system. Im guilty of it too. What you have described really shouldn't effect your work at the end of the day. I would worry less about physical knit picky things and worry about the end result. Use the tool that does the job. For Astro work I would be concerned with using the Fuji because of the noise filtering. I would think you would want as much detail as possible in those kinds of shots. But its a great system overall. A good buddy of mine got one as a sidekick to his Nikon and he loves it. The Nikon hasn't been touched in months but we all know why that is ;)
     
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  18. tg9413

    tg9413 Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 12, 2014
    Yea I won't be getting rid of my M43 system totally. After all the oly 12mm and the PL25 is doing wonderfully. I guess my main issue is the GX7 body over lapping with X100T in term of doing street stuff, other than that I don't think the fuji will ever replace my M43. If it is a EM1 or hack even a G7 I am having, I probably wouldn't second guess myself :p
     
  19. rbelyell

    rbelyell Mu-43 Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2013
    Mountains of NY
    not having on lens aperture control and distance scales is not nitpicking. a silent shutter is not nitpicking. an ovf is not nitpicking. they are real differences in operation that make real differences in performance. when technology equalizes IQ, these operational differences are where competition lies.
     
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  20. DigitalD

    DigitalD Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Miami
    David
    No, they are not. But I didn't see the OP mention any of these points or did I miss something?