Wide angle (18-50) 1" sensor camera from Nikon!

Discussion in 'Other Systems' started by hazwing, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. hazwing

    hazwing Mu-43 All-Pro

    Nov 25, 2012
    Nikon covers all focal lengths with three 'DL' enthusiast compacts with 1"-type sensors

    Nikon has announced a new range of 1" sensor cameras with fixed zoom.

    One that interest me the most is the 18-50 (35mm equivalent). It's fairly wide angle and has a pretty good range, non bulbous font element. Hope the lens has good resolution.

    This might be an alternative for those waiting for a sharp, smallish wide angle prime from the m4/3 world, that accept filters.
  2. rezatravilla

    rezatravilla Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Aug 7, 2013
    Reza Travilla
    Hopefully the price is not expensive as RX100 IV
  3. Wisertime

    Wisertime Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2013
    I noticed in the email marketing this am they call it a "Big 1-inch sensor". I guess Olympus and Panasonic should re-brand their sensor as "Mega Micro-fourthirds" CMOS sensor.
  4. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    Can't be that "enthusiast" since there's only one dial - and that's an exposure comp dial (apart from the pointless PASM dial - such a waste of a good knob!).
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  5. heli-mech

    heli-mech Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Mar 9, 2012
    Vancouver Island, Canada
    I think there is also a dial around the back four way switch too. Looks really interesting overall, have they listed a MSRP yet?
  6. kreegah bundolo

    kreegah bundolo Mu-43 Regular

    Mar 25, 2013
    Sweden, north of the dalälv
    Prices are set on a swedish reseller: 8590 skr, approx €920, for the 18-50.
  7. John M Flores

    John M Flores Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jan 7, 2011
    Somerville, NJ
    I could travel the world with two of these and be happy.
  8. SVQuant

    SVQuant Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Sep 20, 2015
    SF Bay Area, California, USA
    US prices are at the bottom of the OP dpreview link.

    All three cameras will be available in early summer with suggested retail prices of $649 (24-85), $849 (18-50), and $999 (24-500).​
  9. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    I was originally really excited by the 18-50, but then I realized that despite the fast lens, the main disadvantage of a smaller sensor for wide-angle landscape work is not the noise, it's the dynamic range. And so while it is almost just like the dream M4/3 lens I was proposing (10-30mm/f2.8-4), it still loses a stop of dynamic range compared to my GX7.

    It's also quite a bit thicker than the other compact 1" cams.

    I think that the TZ100/ZS100 is still the more exciting option. In most circumstances I take panos to get the 18mm FoV, but 25-250mm in a smaller, cheaper package with a built-in EVF is just way more versatile for me as a supplementary camera. And unlike panos which amplify quality, there's no realistic way to crop a 250mm FoV out of a 20MP file shot at 50mm...

    That said, it will all depend on how good the lens is, and how quick Nikon is to slash the price. Then again, Panasonic isn't shy about reducing prices on their 1" models, either. Though right now they still have no competition to the TZ100, despite Nikon's announcements today...
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  10. Bruce McL

    Bruce McL Mu-43 Veteran

  11. Egregius V

    Egregius V Mu-43 Veteran

    Jun 14, 2015
    Massachusetts, USA
    Rev. Gregory Vozzo
    I really like the Olympus 9-18 for its versatility, and think a lens as versatile as this upcoming 18-50 (probably 6.7-18.5 native) is long overdue in a compact camera. I have high expectations, as the Nikon 1 6.7-13 enjoys a very good reputation as a sharp lens (at the wide end, at least). I might get the DL camera for indoor use if its IQ is comparable. That might be a lot to ask, though. While DPReview's comparison tool suggests the new 1" sensor is less than a stop noisier than micro four thirds, I've noticed severe mushiness in a lot of Nikon 1 J5 images even at base ISO. I hope that's due more to poor post-processing or excessive in-camera JPEG noise reduction than to the limitations of the sensor and the RAW files.
  12. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    The TZ100 fares quite favourably against all of those, from the looks of it.

    Compact Camera Meter

    The 18-50 is a bit bulkier than I'd hoped. About the same size as my GX1 + 20mm/1.7, though obviously smaller and with a wider range than the 9-18mm.

    As before, it all depends on how good the lenses in these products are. Fixed lens cameras live or die based on that quality...
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  13. budeny

    budeny Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 4, 2014
    Boulder, CO
    Looks like second dial is on the back - same as GM1 or EPL5.
    lens speed and range, tilt screen, optional EVF - that looks like good walk around camera.
  14. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Legend

    I wonder if the 18-50 model will be good for Astro. The lens is 18mm equivalent at f1.8. If we use sensor size math, we get to f2.4 equivalent on m4/3

    According to DxO (and assuming it it the Nikon J5 sensor) there is not too much DR difference:

    Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 vs Nikon 1 J5 vs Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II | DxOMark

    They show half a stop or less vs the latest m4/3 bodies at base ISO.
  15. drd1135

    drd1135 Zen Snapshooter

    Mar 17, 2011
    Southwest Virginia
    From DPR: The new DL24-85, DL18-50 and DL24-500 will be available in early summer 2016 for suggested retail prices (SRP) of $649.95*, $849.95*, and $999.95*, respectively. Nothing special, nothing ridiculous.
  16. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    That's not so bad, then. I guess they've finally switched to sourcing their chips from Sony rather than Aptina...

    As far as astro goes, I tend to use a fisheye, but for people who have more room to compose or don't need to fit in as much, the 18-50 does sound interesting.
  17. fredlong

    fredlong Just this guy...

    Apr 18, 2011
    Massachusetts USA
    Maybe from Samsung since they're back side illuminated. There were lots of recent rumors of a Nikon-Samsung partnership of some sort.

  18. davidzvi

    davidzvi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 12, 2012
    Outside Boston MA
    Dimensions listed on the 24-85 are not correct. I has it listed as 140.9mm, but the 18-50 and 24-85 are both about the same 106mm wide.
  19. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    Oh, I wasn't even looking at the dimensions listed, just the visuals.
  20. davidzvi

    davidzvi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 12, 2012
    Outside Boston MA
    that's the odd part, the visuals look correct, numbers are off. Like the numbers on the Fuji X70, the had the length and height backward.