I currently have a E-PL1, kit 14-35 mkI, O17/2.8 & two manual focus legacy 50's (1.4 & 2.8). If I had the money, I'd get the P25/1.4 &/or O45/1.8 but that's not going to happen this year. OTOH, I might be able to scrape up the coin for either the 30 or 60 from Sigma. As a result I thought I'd see what people's thoughts were regarding these two lenses. Since I live in the boonies these days, I'll be buying online & probably used. So what I'm looking to learn is if anyone considers one or the other better and also how do the sizes of the lenses compare to the kit lens (I presume they're a wee bit bigger than the pancake 17 ) I learned photography in the day when a 50/1.8 came with the Canon AE-1 and zooms were so much poorer or so very expensive that I'm still not comfortable with them. In the past my preferred kit, especially when shooting rangefinder 35mm's, was either a 28 or 35, a 50 and an 85 ~ 100. I usually had a 135 but that was very much a special purpose only lens. My shooting tastes run to square format & landscapes, much in b&w. My gallery is linked in my .sig The other thing to consider is the limitations of my current body. Would I be better served looking for an on sale or a refub'd E-PM2 to gain the benifits of the newer sensor? To be sure an E-PL5 would be better still but the price starts climbing at that point... So, for the fun of it, lets have a poll!