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Which one as a second body?

Discussion in 'This or That? (MFT only)' started by sin77, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. sin77

    sin77 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 9, 2011
    Singapore
    I currently owns an E-M10 with Oly 12-40/2.8, 60/2.8, 14-42EZ and Pany 35-100/2.8, and I shoot a lot indoor events. Occasionally will bring out for causal shoots as well.

    Now I am contemplating another E-M10, E-M5, E-M1 or E-PL7, so that I do not have to change lenses. Other than UWA and super tele, I don't forsee buying more lenses.

    Below are some considerations for each camera, but would like to see more opinions.

    E-PL7
    Pros: Cheapest of all. Selfie-specialised. I like this athough I don't do that often; but I would like to try it more often going forward. I do have a selfie monopod which I rarely use.
    Cons: Only 1 dial. I like to use manual mode, occasionally aperture priority.

    E-M5
    Pros: Weather-sealed, but mostly won't need it. (5-axis not really a factor for me.) It may be value for money to get a used body.
    Cons: Older processing engine, which makes much difference for me. I don't like the buttons (which makes the camera toy-like.)

    E-M1
    Pros: Good ergonomics and many buttons for event shooting. (Is PDAF very important?)
    Cons: Too expensive if I am not going to make use of phase detection since I probably won't be buying a 4/3 Zuiko lens.

    E-M10
    Pros: Already have this, thus proven very useful for me.
    Cons: Maybe I should get something else to complement for weather-seal, phase detection or selfie.



    What do you think? Which is more suitable for me? I am leaning towards E-PL7 and E-M10 though.
     
  2. budeny

    budeny Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 4, 2014
    Boulder, CO
    may be wait for E-M5II
     
  3. sin77

    sin77 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 9, 2011
    Singapore
    Hope to get it before late January Japan trip.

    I signed up a packaged tour, hence got no time to buy a body for the first few days.
     
  4. broody

    broody Mu-43 Veteran

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    Sep 8, 2013
    EPL7 and EM1 currently have pretty solid discounts going for them.
     
  5. Ramsey

    Ramsey Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jan 9, 2013
    Zagreb, Croatia
    What about e-p5? Used prices are a steal, double dials, sturdy, 1/8000...

    Not sure about batteries being the same (which is also a thing to consider)
     
  6. sin77

    sin77 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 9, 2011
    Singapore
    E-P5 is only better in terms of 1/8000 sec shutter speed and 5-axis OIS. Both are not critical for event shoots. I still prefer E-M10 or E-PL7 over this one.
     
  7. sin77

    sin77 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 9, 2011
    Singapore
    By the way, will my 12-40/2.8 or 35-100/2.8 make use of E-M1's PDAF?
     
  8. ManofKent

    ManofKent Hopefully still learning

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    Dec 26, 2014
    Faversham, Kent, UK
    Richard
    Are you ruling out Pany bodies? Some shooters seem fine swapping between the brands...
     
  9. sin77

    sin77 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 9, 2011
    Singapore
    I used to have GF2, G3, GF5, but now prefer Olympus because of the ibis and the great sensor. If I use compatible models, I can even use the same batteries. Moreover, I don't have to memorise two interfaces.

    However, what do you think is a good buy from Pany these days or specifically to my situation?
     
  10. janneman

    janneman Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 6, 2012
    Netherlands
    Jan (John) Kusters
    For shooting events with two bodies, I would very much prefer to use the same bodies. As far as I'm concerned, different camera's have different strong points and different weaknesses, and that is not what I want to think about when busy shooting an event where too much is going on. It is not the moment to keep in mind the different styles and possibilities of image stabilisation or focus system when I grab the other camera...

    The problem is how much events you shoot. If that is the main reason for a second body, I would pick the same one you already have. But if you want to 'improve' your system, widen your possibilities, things get different. And in that case another body is preferable. What can't you do now, that could be solved with another body?

    In my case, I do shoot events, but not that often. For that occasional use, I could not justify another body, so I went for a super zoom lens. Most shots from events do not end up as large prints on a wall, so I was willing to accept the drop in image quality and I could live with the higher iso because of the slower aperture.

    I my case a second body was to do things I would not do with the body I already had. Having a camera with me at all times would be a nice addition, so I picked a smaller body and small zoom that would augment my system. And it serves as a nice back up system for my 'primary set'.
     
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  11. ManofKent

    ManofKent Hopefully still learning

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    Dec 26, 2014
    Faversham, Kent, UK
    Richard
    The GX7 gives you IBIS, and the sensor is arguably on a par with the Olys. I guess it's largely down to handling preferences.

    I like two bodies, but found the weight of one D700 was enough when shooting FF. I'm currently using two GM1s - sometimes I'll just carry one but even carrying two with lenses attached is a lightweight option compared to the D700 and single lens. The portability makes up for the slightly fiddly controls for me. Not a camera that would be on your short-list though.
     
  12. b_rubenstein

    b_rubenstein Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 20, 2012
    Melbourne, FL
    The Pen cameras have much different controls than the OM-D cameras. I once tried using a E-M5 & EPL-5 on a gig: awful, awful, awful. Disliked the E-PL5 so much I gave it to my kid. I have no issues switching between my E-M1, E-M5 & E-M10 since all the major controls are the same.

    Another issue when using different cameras for a single event is how different cameras render images. Post is easier if all the cameras render about the same.
     
  13. undergrd

    undergrd Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 30, 2012
    Singapore
    Get a EM10 then. The safest bet...
     
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  14. MoonMind

    MoonMind Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 25, 2014
    Switzerland
    Matt
    TruePic VII is a boon if you don't want to do a lot of post-processing; depending on the subject - specifically, if dynamic range and maximum resolution aren't of major concern, like for instance when I shoot street -, I tend to use the OOC JPEGs instead of the RAW files because they're so good. So, that limits available choices somewhat; I'd say that it's down to the E-PL7 and the E-M10 if you don't intend to shoot a lot of action outdoors, in which case the E-M1 will be clearly superior. I think sticking with the E-M10 is a sensible choice, with the E-PL7 only being worth consideration if you look for something even more portable. E-M10 and E-PL7 use the same battery, the new control dial is in a great position (though still not ideal for full manual, I agree), the camera is unobstrusive and compact without being too small, yet packs more or less the same punch as an E-M10.

    I'm not sure what I'd do in your position, to be honest. The E-PL7 is your cheapest choice to get the IQ of the E-M10 (I wouldn't be surprised if the innards were more or less identical) in a smaller body - a high level of compatibility with a slightly different handling paradigm, but without a fixed EVF. Another E-M10 would be more of a no-brainer, but I think you would have got one of them if things were that clear-cut.

    M.
     
  15. budeny

    budeny Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 4, 2014
    Boulder, CO
    Just get another E-M10 - it's excellent value and it will make your shooting so much easier when you won't have to switch from one camera handling style to another.
     
  16. Klorenzo

    Klorenzo Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 10, 2014
    Lorenzo
    For work: EM-10 or if you need an EVF

    For yourself: EPL-7, more pocketable with a pancake lens
     
  17. davidzvi

    davidzvi Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 12, 2012
    Outside Boston MA
    David
    Define indoor events? Type, professional, for fun, because you're at the events so you take lots of pictures? etc
     
  18. silver92b

    silver92b Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 7, 2013
    Atlanta, GA
    How about another brand of Mirrorless camera?
     
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  19. davidzvi

    davidzvi Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 12, 2012
    Outside Boston MA
    David
    I'll also ask, your signature has "Nikon bodies & lenses". Is that your primary event gear?
     
  20. oldracer

    oldracer Mu-43 All-Pro

    Oct 1, 2010
    USA
    I agree with Janneman and others recommending identical bodies.

    I have shot multiple bodies for years. In film days it was usually a couple of Nikon F-series (F, FTN, F3, etc.). Identical bodies weren't too important because handling and settings of F-series film bodies were all similar and far, far less complex than today's cameras. Now, digital days, I shoot only identical bodies and I program them identically.

    Our little M43 bodies and lenses are ideal for travel with two bodies. I generally have one with my 14-140mm and the other with either my 9-18mm or my 100-300mm depending on what the situation is. One body is black, one is silver, so I'm less likely to get confused if I decide to program them differently or one starts acting up. Identical bodies, batteries, and chargers also provides redundancy if a body, battery, or charger dies, gets lost, or gets stolen.

    Different bodies might be your choice if the goal is to have more and different toys to play with or if one body serves a specialized purpose, but for general-purpose work I don't think it is a good idea.