Which lens to replace my PL 12-32 f/3.5-5.6 on a Panasonic body ?

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Nice price. Where did you buy it?
eGlobalCentral. When you read the opinions about that site, it would seem many people don't trust it or have bad experiences. Personally, they gave me an excellent deal on the Lumix 35-100mm f/2.8 II and I received it well within a week without a hitch. It was sent from their UK depot. I cross my fingers this time for the 12-35 it will be no different.
 
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eGlobalCentral. When you read the opinions on this site, it would seem many people dont trust it or have bad experiences. Personally, they gave me an excellent deal on the Lumix 35-100mm f/2.8 II and I received it well within a week without a hitch. It was sent from their UK depot. I cross my fingers this time for the 12-35 it will be no different.
Well, just as the 35-100 f/2.8 II, the 12-35 f/2.8 II arrived as scheduled and in good shape in France in 5 days, this time sent from Hong Kong. € 487 all in : great price, no complaints.

Down here some shots of my favorite "test screen" at 18 mm at f/4.0 for the 12-35 and at f/5.6 for the 12-32, supposedly at each lenses sweet spot. then a 1:1 cut out of both's centers. From RAW file, all LR lens corrections, sharpening and NR deactivated. NB : some blur in the spider silk strings may be due to them vibrating in the wind.

I can see a difference, even in the uncropped image, except for in the corners maybe.

GX80 + Lumix 12-35 mm f/2.8 II
18mm - f/4.0
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GX80 + Lumix 12-32 mm f/3.5-5.6
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GX80 + Lumix 12-35 mm f/2.8 II
18mm - f/4.0
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GX80 + Lumix 12-32 mm f/3.5-5.6
18mm - f/5.6
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The Olympus 12-100 would give you the most flexibility. You could sell your Panasonic 35-100 2.8. You would only need one lens but at a price.
 

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The Olympus 12-100 would give you the most flexibility. You could sell your Panasonic 35-100 2.8. You would only need one lens but at a price.
But... as I explained above, I only just purchased the Lumix 12-35 and 35-100mm f/2.8 II together for less than what the Olympus 12-100 f/4 costs. :)
The latter doesn't offer the same stabilization on my GX80, is slower, and at least on the long end, its IQ is no match for that of the the 35-100*.

*At least a quick search resulting in these tests would indicate so :

https://www.opticallimits.com/m43/1006_olympus12100f4pro?start=1
https://www.opticallimits.com/m43/852_panasonic35100f28?start=1
https://www.opticallimits.com/m43/766_pana1235f28?start=1

https://www.imaging-resource.com/lenses/olympus/12-100mm-f4-is-pro-m.zuiko-digital-ed/blur/(micro-four-thirds)/
https://www.imaging-resource.com/le...power-ois-lumix-g-x-vario/blur/panasonic-gx1/
https://www.imaging-resource.com/le...r-ois-lumix-g-x-vario-hd/blur/panasonic-gx-1/

https://www.lenstip.com/497.4-Lens_...ED_12-100_mm_f_4_IS_PRO_Image_resolution.html
https://www.lenstip.com/367.4-Lens_..._mm_f_2.8_ASPH._P.O.I.S_Image_resolution.html
https://www.lenstip.com/368.4-Lens_...5-100_mm_f_2.8_P.O.I.S._Image_resolution.html
 
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The Olympus 12-100 would give you the most flexibility. You could sell your Panasonic 35-100 2.8. You would only need one lens but at a price.
It's really subjective.
For me, 12-35 2.8 + 35-100 2.8 gives more flexibility that a 12-100 f/4:
- f/2.8 is much more flexible than f/4
- when you have the 12-35 on, you're much more compact than with 12-100
But that's just me :) I don't care much about changing lenses.
 

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It's really subjective.
For me, 12-35 2.8 + 35-100 2.8 gives more flexibility that a 12-100 f/4:
- f/2.8 is much more flexible than f/4
- when you have the 12-35 on, you're much more compact than with 12-100
But that's just me :) I don't care much about changing lenses.
As you say, it is personally subjective.
I have all three Olympus Pro lenses: 12-40/2.8, 40-150/2.8, 12-100/4.
I have also been eyeing the Panasonic 35-100/2.8, and may still get it, just because of its smaller size and weight, compared to the Olympus 40-150/2.8.​
Each of the three lenses fills a need that other does not, which is why I have and use all three lenses.
There are times when I want the 12-100 range in one lens, so I don't have to swap between cameras or change lenses. I just have to accept that 1 stop slower lens.​
BTW, all three lenses were purchased used, to save $$$$.​
Which lens(es) I use depends on the shoot.

However, I am not stuck on the pro lens.
For light/travel, my lens of choice is the P-Lumix 12-60. Smaller and lighter than the Olympus 12-100/4. And "good enough" for me.
 

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Well, just as the 35-100 f/2.8 II, the 12-35 f/2.8 II arrived as scheduled and in good shape in France in 5 days, this time sent from Hong Kong. € 487 all in : great price, no complaints.

Down here some shots of my favorite "test screen" at 18 mm at f/4.0 for the 12-35 and at f/5.6 for the 12-32, supposedly at each lenses sweet spot. then a 1:1 cut out of both's centers. From RAW file, all LR lens corrections, sharpening and NR deactivated. NB : some blur in the spider silk strings may be due to them vibrating in the wind.

I can see a difference, even in the uncropped image, except for in the corners maybe.

GX80 + Lumix 12-35 mm f/2.8 II
18mm - f/4.0
View attachment 802357

GX80 + Lumix 12-32 mm f/3.5-5.6
18mm - f/5.6
View attachment 802358

GX80 + Lumix 12-35 mm f/2.8 II
18mm - f/4.0
View attachment 802202

GX80 + Lumix 12-32 mm f/3.5-5.6
18mm - f/5.6
View attachment 802203
I see a bit of finer detail with your 12-35 vs your 12-32. You made a very good choice, in my view, though I might have steered you toward the PL 12-60/2.8-4.

I have an embarrassment of m4/3 lenses, in part because I've been in this format, heavily, for over 10 years. I hold the 12-32 in high esteem. Excellent lens and amazing form factor, not to mention the price!

And, the 12-35/2.8 was probably my most used m4/3 lens until I picked up the PL 12-60/2.8-4. Since then, I don't think I've mounted my 12-35 - and it's been a few years! Yes, the 12-60/2.8-4 is that good.

BUT, the 12-35 is that good, as well. Wonderful lens. I just find the extra reach with the 12-60 a little more useful, for an all-around, one-lens solution. And many times, when I might have reached for the 7-14 or 9-18, I just shoot a number of panned images with the 12-60, and stitch. I use the 12-60/2.8-4 most of the time, then swap to other zooms or primes as the application calls for it. There are still applications where stitched multi-images can't accomplish the mission, then I reach for the 7-14 or the 9-18.

You're in very good stead with the 12-35/2.8 and the 35-100/2.8. Those two lenses are the bedrock of a good kit! Add some primes and ultra-wide for specialty use, as the funds and needs arise. This is a great system to be a part of.

The way I shoot, I have only minimal/occasional use for long lenses, but I sure do love shooting with ultra wides, and can find use for them pretty much anywhere and everywhere.
 
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Thanks, for now I find this 12-35 f/2.8 II pretty amazing, I regularly use 35-100 at the long end, so figured the extra reach of the 12-60 was only a relative advantage, nice size though.
The disadvantage of the 12-35-100 is the 58 mm filter thread, which necessitates getting a larger filter system than my beloved Haida 75 Pro.

Lumix GX80 + PL 12-35mm f/2.8 II
24mm - f/5.6 - 1/200s - ISO 100

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Beautiful moody image!

Regarding the filter holder could be worth a try to use a step-up ring from 55mm to 58mm. Maybe this will add vignetting at 12mm but would be a cost-effective way of using the filter system. never mind, I lookup the Haida filter holder, it seems that only the original rings can be used
 

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Beautiful moody image!

Regarding the filter holder could be worth a try to use a step-up ring from 55mm to 58mm. Maybe this will add vignetting at 12mm but would be a cost-effective way of using the filter system. never mind, I lookup the Haida filter holder, it seems that only the original rings can be used
Thanks ! True, a regular male 58 - female 62 step up ring cannot do it. It would take a male 58 - male 62 thread. Haida's M10 system imposes itself, if the bank allows...
 
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Thanks, for now I find this 12-35 f/2.8 II pretty amazing, I regularly use 35-100 at the long end, so figured the extra reach of the 12-60 was only a relative advantage, nice size though.
The disadvantage of the 12-35-100 is the 58 mm filter thread, which necessitates getting a larger filter system than my beloved Haida 75 Pro.

Lumix GX80 + PL 12-35mm f/2.8 II
24mm - f/5.6 - 1/200s - ISO 100

View attachment 803395
Great shot, Joris!
So detailed! Do I sense some post-processing? :)

On topic:
I think I will sell my 12-35 2.8 mark I version. I had it for several months, but it doesn't wow me unfortunately. Maybe it's just my copy but the results are not much different from what the 12-60 Lumix could do. With both lenses, I have to edit and add contrast, dehaze and work on the light to get beautiful results. It's just that one has more reach, and one is much faster (and more expensive) than the other.
It was the same with my first copy of the 12-40 PRO, again sample variation could be at play but my lens was simply bland.

I'll sell a couple of lenses and pre-order the 12-45 PRO, much more reasonable size for me than the 12-40.
And if that one doesn't wow me, well...
Bag 'o Primes and a P12-60/12-32 until the end of my days :biggrin:
 
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Great shot, Joris!
So detailed! Do I sense some post-processing? :)

On topic:
I think I will sell my 12-35 2.8 mark I version. I had it for several months, but it doesn't wow me unfortunately. Maybe it's just my copy but the results are not much different from what the 12-60 Lumix could do. With both lenses, I have to edit and add contrast, dehaze and work on the light to get beautiful results. It's just that one has more reach, and one is much faster (and more expensive) than the other.
It was the same with my first copy of the 12-40 PRO, again sample variation could be at play but my lens was simply bland.

I'll sell a couple of lenses and pre-order the 12-45 PRO, much more reasonable size for me than the 12-40.
And if that one doesn't wow me, well...
Bag 'o Primes and a P12-60/12-32 until the end of my days :biggrin:
Thank you @shreebles. Obviously there is "some post processing". I sense that quite a few here do not approve, it obviously is a matter of taste. I am getting better at what is mine, mastering fringing etc. Resuméed, my process can be found here.

I believe I got a very crisp copy of this 12-35mm 2.8 II lens and for a terrific price. I shrug at those, loaded with gear themselves, who explained I was subject to G.A.S. and who determined that I , instead, would not need this upgrade.

I really hope that 12-45 PRO will do it for you ! "Editing and adding contrast, dehazing and work on the light" to me seems a sine qua non for any satisfying photographic image, at least that is the way I see it. :)
 
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Lumix GX80 + PL 12-35mm f/2.8 II
18mm - f/5.6 - 1/125s - ISO 100

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In the end, what main advantages do you see to the 12-35 f/2.8 compared to the 12-32?

I'm probably going to replace mine soon (not really replace, as I will keep my 12-32 for very light setups).
This is a very good lens for the volume (and one of the reasons I chose m43 - a very compact lens with a manual zoom), but I'm looking for a main landscape lens (which would be completed by my Laowa 7.5 and my Panasonic 45-150).
Ideally a weather sealed lens, with a focus ring to be used when using my tripod, and a better image quality especially on the long end (and a longer end).
 

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I am quite happy with having bought this lens. I get very crisp results with it, more so it seems, than with my 12-32mm (which I too will hang on to). Personally I restrict my aperture to mainly 5.6 for the needed depth of field and for corner sharpness. So do not have an opinion on how the 12-35 II performs wide open or at smallish apertures. It is seriously big compared to the 12-32.

I pondered on its only serious rival, and made my decision after comparing the available reviews (Lumix mark I/II) with its best rival the Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8. No such data available for the brand new Olympus 12-45mm

https://www.lenstip.com/367.4-Lens_..._mm_f_2.8_ASPH._P.O.I.S_Image_resolution.html
https://www.lenstip.com/392.4-Lens_...l_12-40_mm_f_2.8_ED_PRO_Image_resolution.html

https://www.opticallimits.com/m43/766_pana1235f28?start=1
https://www.opticallimits.com/m43/862_oly1240?start=1

https://www.ephotozine.com/article/panasonic-lumix-g-x-vario-12-35mm-f-2-8-lens-review-19240
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/olympus-m-zuiko-ed-12-40mm-f-2-8-pro-lens-review-24513

https://www.imaging-resource.com/le...2.8-ii-asph-power-ois-lumix-g-x-vario/review/
https://www.imaging-resource.com/lenses/olympus/12-40mm-f2.8-pro-m.zuiko-digital-ed/review/

At f/5.6 most reviews have the Lumix' centre sharpness better than the Olympus's especially at the long end, but the Olympus is still deemed sharper in the corners. Only ephotozine has the Olympus vastly superior, sharper at the edges than in the center, which seems weird...

To me, for my use, the Olympus did not seem preferable, taking into account size, dual stabilisation on Panasonic bodies...
The https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/06/a-weekend-with-the-panasonic-12-35-f2-8/ article drove me over the edge :)

On most of the above sites you can find a review of the Lumix 12-32mm to check how that lens does in comparison.
 
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I'll wait for some tests of the 12-45... that's my current favourite (it may change, and I find the price a bit too high now, but it's not even out yet).
I'll choose the 12-45 f/2.8 over the 12-35 f/2.8 because of the slightly smaller size, the longer range and the fact that it's Olympus so it may work better with my E-M5.3 in terms of weather resistance (and maybe AF).
The 12-35 f/2.8 is #2 on my list, all the others are noticeably bigger (but not fully eliminated yet).
 

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