What's taking so long for a fast wide angle prime?

Jonathan F/2

Mu-43 Legend
Joined
Aug 10, 2011
Messages
5,006
Location
Los Angeles, USA
Sony and Fuji both have fast wide primes in their line-up and yet M43 doesn't have any? I think either an 8mm or 9mm 2.8 would be great. Any idea why neither Olympus or Panasonic has stepped up to the plate in this range yet? We have a 12mm/14mm/15mm/17mm x2/19mm/20mm/25mm, but nothing wider? I'm almost thinking we'll get a 13mm, 16mm and a 21mm-to-24mm before we get anything in that range! :eek::rolleyes:
 

Cruzan80

Mu-43 All-Pro
Joined
Aug 23, 2012
Messages
1,107
Location
Denver, Co
Real Name
Sean Rastsmith
Possibly either design concerns (don't know of any "smaller than APS-C" fast wide angles), or they don't think that they will sell enough to recoup engineering costs. Consider that both Olympus (4/3) and Panasonic came out with an 8mm fisheye, and they both have 7-14/4 (with the upcoming 7-14/2.8). I think Olympus is counting on capturing the market potential with their 2.8 zoom coming out.
 

broody

Mu-43 Veteran
Joined
Sep 8, 2013
Messages
388
This is a tough one to crack IMO. Consider a 9mm prime. It has to compete with the Olympus 9-18mm, which is very small, affordable, and optically decent. Such a lens would need any three of:
a) considerably better IQ.
b) faster aperture.
c) similar price.
d) similarly compact size.
 

Livnius

Super Moderator
Joined
Jul 7, 2011
Messages
2,256
Location
Melbourne. Australia
Real Name
Joe
One of the most interesting FOV/aperture (on FF) combinations that I especially enjoy, enjoy a LOT.....is 24mm/f1.4, I find this particular combination on a FF gives such a unique and interesting look ....would be brilliant to see Panasonic do a 12mm 'Nocticron'...in fact, I'd love to see more 'Nocticrons' period.
 

tjdean01

Mu-43 Top Veteran
Joined
Feb 20, 2013
Messages
862
Rokinon has that 10mm f2.8 which is large but would fit the bill?

One of the most interesting FOV/aperture (on FF) combinations that I especially enjoy, enjoy a LOT.....is 24mm/f1.4, I find this particular combination on a FF gives such a unique and interesting look ....would be brilliant to see Panasonic do a 12mm 'Nocticron'...in fact, I'd love to see more 'Nocticrons' period.
Yeah but if we had a 12/1.4 on m4/3s I don't think we'd see as much of a 3D like you'd see on FF. How about a 12/0.95. Would probably be huge and $1200! lol
 

Zee

Mu-43 Top Veteran
Joined
Mar 24, 2014
Messages
575
Location
Surry Hills, Aus/ Baguio & Manila, Philippines
Only problem, so far, seems to me that wider lenses always seem to need a lot of correction for the optics. Personally, if they were going to do an F2.8 UWA, I'd pay the extra for it to need no/very minor optical correction in software. Mainly as to me, software correction usually results in loss of detail...

This is why i hope Sigma does it - they wouldn't rely on software correction profiles - like Rokinon/Samyang lenses...

Z...
 

edmsnap

Mu-43 Veteran
Joined
Dec 20, 2011
Messages
461
Location
Edmonton, Alberta
Sony and Fuji both have fast wide primes in their line-up and yet M43 doesn't have any? I think either an 8mm or 9mm 2.8 would be great. Any idea why neither Olympus or Panasonic has stepped up to the plate in this range yet? We have a 12mm/14mm/15mm/17mm x2/19mm/20mm/25mm, but nothing wider? I'm almost thinking we'll get a 13mm, 16mm and a 21mm-to-24mm before we get anything in that range!
I think the widest X lens Fuji has right now is the 14/2.8 which is a 21mm equivalent.

I think Sony's widest E-mount is 16/2.8. The widest non-fishy A-mount is 20mm.

µ4/3 has a 10/2.8 which beats those.

I'm not sure that it's practical from a business viewpoint to produce lenses wider than 20mm (equiv) as they're very specialized, seldom used, and even more rarely bought. Throwing that range into a zoom that also offers more commonly used focal lengths makes sense... a 7 or 8mm prime is a tougher sell for a system that still hasn't got the market that Canon or Nikon has. It wouldn't make sense to produce a lens that only lost the company money.
 

budeny

Mu-43 All-Pro
Joined
Mar 4, 2014
Messages
1,585
Location
Boulder, CO
What's the point in fast UWA lens? They are mostly used for static scenery any way, so why bother about 1 stop advantage?
 

Jonathan F/2

Mu-43 Legend
Joined
Aug 10, 2011
Messages
5,006
Location
Los Angeles, USA
What's the point in fast UWA lens? They are mostly used for static scenery any way, so why bother about 1 stop advantage?
Event shooting, nightlife, photojournalism, candids in close quarter environments (ex: weddings), etc.

Seriously, not everything revolves around landscapes. 1 stop can make all the difference in those scenarios, especially when shooting moving subjects. Plus faster glass has the added advantage of faster focusing in low light. For example the 12mm f/2 can focus in near dark conditions, while the 14mm 2.5 slows to a crawl.
 

Jonathan F/2

Mu-43 Legend
Joined
Aug 10, 2011
Messages
5,006
Location
Los Angeles, USA
So, one lens, that's not even made by Sony or Fuji. And it doesn't sound like it's all that great for the price: http://petapixel.com/2013/06/05/review-the-zeiss-touit-12mm-f2-8/.
They just ran a sale the other week where you could buy both the Zeiss 12mm 2.8 and 32mm 1.8 for around $919 USD. Not to mention the 12mm sells new currently for under $700 in the US through Ebay sellers. Photozone rates the lens quite favorably.

http://www.photozone.de/fuji_x/869-zeiss12f28

Anyways, we just need one fast wide prime.
 

budeny

Mu-43 All-Pro
Joined
Mar 4, 2014
Messages
1,585
Location
Boulder, CO
Event shooting, nightlife, photojournalism
- most pro's used flash in those scenarios, at least from what I've seen
candids in close quarter environments (ex: weddings), etc.
- candids? Have you seen 7-14/f2.8 Zuiko lens on m43 camera?
Seriously, not everything revolves around landscapes. 1 stop can make all the difference in those scenarios, especially when shooting moving subjects. Plus faster glass has the added advantage of faster focusing in low light. For example the 12mm f/2 can focus in near dark conditions, while the 14mm 2.5 slows to a crawl.
1 stop is not that much, nowadays sensors are leaping about 1 stop every 2-3 years. Without DOF advantage, faster UWA dosn't make much sense to me.
 

Latest posts

Links on this page may be to our affiliates. Sales through affiliate links may benefit this site.
Mu-43 is a fan site and not associated with Olympus, Panasonic, or other manufacturers mentioned on this site.
Forum post reactions by Twemoji: https://github.com/twitter/twemoji
Copyright © 2009-2019 Amin Forums, LLC
Top Bottom