What's missing in m43 system?

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by uscrx, Aug 16, 2013.

  1. uscrx

    uscrx Mu-43 Veteran

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    Aug 26, 2011
    Shasta Cascade
    Long Telephoto Prime f2.8.

    I can do portrait, landscape, & street with m-43.

    I can't do sports and birds very well with m-43.

    The way "focusing" is advancing, coupled with a right lens, I think sports and bird photography are within our grasp.

    Why not 200mm f2.8 or 300mm f2.8?

    Will it happen?
     
  2. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Dara
    200/2.8 is definitely feasible - just a matter of time I'd say. There will be a 150/2.8 from Panasonic within the year, so 200/2.8 or 300/4 are not unlikely follow-ups.

    300/2.8 is a different story. There's no real size-advantage for m4/3 with telephoto lenses, so you're talking about a lens as big and heavy as Canon or Nikon's 300/2.8, which would sell at much lower volumes and thus require a higher price to be profitable. And I really don't think m4/3 shooters are ready for 2.5kg $5k+ lenses.
     
  3. uscrx

    uscrx Mu-43 Veteran

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    Aug 26, 2011
    Shasta Cascade
    Imagine sea of white L telephoto lenses at an NFL game... and a photog with m43 with smallish 200mm f2.8 lens. :2thumbs:
     
  4. darosk

    darosk Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Apr 17, 2013
    Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
    Daros
    One of my fav long lenses on Canon FF was the 400 5.6 - not super bright, but it was light as hell (especially by DSLR standards), and IQ was pretty great. It took TC's really easily as well. I agree with dhazeghi - a 200/300 2.8/4 prime doesn't seem unlikely. I don't own any of the oly/panny long zooms, but I've played with them in store, and they are tiny compared to "big boy DSLR" zooms.
     
  5. napilopez

    napilopez Contributing Editor

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    Feb 21, 2012
    NYC Area
    Napier Lopez
    Lens wise? Other than the long lenses you mentioned, not that much. It would be nice to have a good wide angle, non fish-eye prime.

    I do wish more of the lenses, primes in particular, were weather-sealed. I'm sure I sound like a broken record to some of the members here, but yeah.

    Also a good constant aperture f4 lens, or f2.8-f4 lens would be nice.

    The other thing though is a professional support service like Canon and Nikon have. I wouldn't be surprised if Olympus ramped up their professional support with the release of their new allegedly-pro-level OM-D. Right now I use M4/3 for virtually all of my paid assignments, and it is a little worrisome thinking about what would happen if my OM-D dies. I have a backup cam, but still.
     
  6. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    A 150mm ƒ2.8 is on it's way from Panasonic :smile:
     
  7. gochugogi

    gochugogi Mu-43 Veteran

    I'd rather use a big DLSR to balance the big bazooka optics and save my wee M43 for small primes and intimate moments and off the hip shots.
     
  8. DeoreDX

    DeoreDX Mu-43 Veteran

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    Mar 13, 2013
    Alabama
    17-35 f2 :)

    Actually I'm in the camp of wanting an f4 zoom. Something like the Nikkor 24-120. So a 12-60 f4. Build it Oly or Pana. Just do it.
     
  9. darosk

    darosk Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Apr 17, 2013
    Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
    Daros
    What makes you think they'd be bazooka-sized? Especially if they were built specifically for m43 sensors? I imagine they'd much, much smaller than the Canon big whites.
     
  10. DeoreDX

    DeoreDX Mu-43 Veteran

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    Mar 13, 2013
    Alabama
    Correct me if I an wrong but the size advantage of a lens for a smaller sensor decreases as the focal length increases. At least I remember reading about that a long time ago. Could very well be remembering wrong.
     
  11. darosk

    darosk Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Apr 17, 2013
    Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
    Daros
    Any sources for this? I admit I don't know much about lens design/optics and whatnot.
     
  12. spatulaboy

    spatulaboy I'm not really here

    Jul 13, 2011
    North Carolina
    Vin
    I think that only applies if you want a tele lens with large aperture, i.e. 300mm f3.5 or something like that.
     
  13. robbie36

    robbie36 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 25, 2010
    Bangkok
    rob collins
    I feel we are missing teleconverters. My 75 1.8 would become a 150 3.6 and a 150 2.8 would still be a pretty fast 300mm lens.
     
  14. penners_r

    penners_r Mu-43 Rookie

    I agree a 1.5 or 2x tele- converter would be a great addition to the M43 range. It would allow us to use our primes and have that extra length in our camera bag/pocket for when we need to extend the range.
     
  15. flash

    flash Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Apr 29, 2010
    1 hour from Sydney Australia.
    Gordon
    Decreased absolutely. But there's still some advantage. There's a direct comparison with Canon lenses. The 400mm 2.8 LII is smaller, lighter and cheaper than the 800mm 5.6L (yep. I nailed the equivalence thingy. I'll let you guys argue that one...). About 30%. That's still a good saving in size and weight, although not as great as the wides would have.

    Gordon
     
  16. penners_r

    penners_r Mu-43 Rookie

    I've just thought of another feature. - split screen focusing! I have just returned from a day out using an OM10 and a E-P2, both fitted with OM lenses. I can tell you the OM10 was easier to use and more enjoyable. Is it possible to mimic this type of focusing?
     
  17. Mellow

    Mellow Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 27, 2010
    Florida or Idaho
    Tom
    Well, assuming the EM-1's PDAF actually works this one will soon be available. Sadly, it's a bit out of my price range.
     
  18. Azimuth

    Azimuth Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 12, 2012
    Thornbury, Victoria
    All f/2.8 long telephoto solutions are expensive.

    This might be a more realistic option.
     
  19. dougjgreen

    dougjgreen Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 5, 2013
    San Diego
    Doug Green
    As far as 300mm f2.8 lenses are concerned, if you're going to drop $5-6K on a lens, what's another $1000 for a dedicated camera body that can focus it rapidly and give you an nice reflex viewfinder to look through it without any lag - it's not like the extra size and weight of the body is significant compared to the 6 pounds that the lens itself weighs.
     
  20. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    300 2.8 anytime people want to drop the coin - here ya go:

    $7500 - zuiko-lens-ed-300mm-f2-8

    These lenses are all going to be big. Adapted or not I doubt you will see any size difference.