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What should I do? Please Help..

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by MrDoug, Nov 9, 2011.

  1. MrDoug

    MrDoug Mu-43 Top Veteran

    985
    Sep 5, 2011
    Boise, Idaho
    This question has been thrown around before.. and I have even woke up in the middle of the night running this through me mind.. however, I have the Panny 20/1.7 and love it.. I have been looking at the Panny/Leica 25/1.4 pics and reviews on different threads and the shots taken with it for the most part look so awesome. Since I already own the 20/1.7 should I step up and let the GAS take over and buy the 25/1.4? what would I be gaining and/or losing?:smile:
     
  2. Art

    Art Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 13, 2011
    San Francisco, CA
    I think PL25 could be great for indoor portraits where Oly 45 is way too long. PL25 is a little shorter and brighter than Panny 20 and it also reportedly focuses much faster in low light which makes it even more suitable for people shots. I'm considering one myself but I wish it'd be smaller or less expensive.
     
  3. krugorg

    krugorg Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jul 18, 2011
    Minnesota USA
    I have the PL25/1.4 and I think it is a nice lens, but the 20/1.7 still is on my E-P3 more often. The main reason for this is because the size difference is actually pretty substantial. With the 20, the E-P3 is still jacket pocketable... as soon as the PL25 is mounted, IMO, size and weight means this is going on a shoulder or neck strap (or hand carry I guess).

    The other reason is the rattlesnake effect on some (I think most) Oly bodies... aperture blades adjust very frequently with light changes and they are loud in operation. The 20 does something similar, maybe a bit less often, but the blades are much less noisy. A setting change or firmware update could resolve this... for me, I can live with this issue.

    I go back and forth on whether I will sell mine. I really like the images I get from the lens, and I am currently justifying keeping as a specialist, night-time and indoors lens. But... the 20 is such a great, compact performer.
     
  4. Armanius

    Armanius Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 23, 2010
    Houston
    Muttley
    Just do it.
     
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  5. WT21

    WT21 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 19, 2010
    Boston
    It's going to come down to personal preference. I agree with Krugorg on the size difference, but for me, I find I prefer the 14mm for "walk around" in a small kit, and the 25/1.4 for shooting friends and family indoors, where kit size is less an issue.

    You may have still a different opinion.
     
  6. Art

    Art Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 13, 2011
    San Francisco, CA
    Does it focus faster in low light (wide open) compared to panny 20? I am thinking that 25 would be a better companion for my 14mm which I use indoors primarily (group shots, parties, birthdays, etc.).
    I already sold the 20 (semi-regretting already, lol).
    I like to take casual indoor portraits and I am unable to use Oly 45 indoors, e.g. restaurants not only because it is telephoto but also cause I need 1/100s shutter speed (I don't use IBIS). With Panny 25 I should be fine at 1/50s which is sufficient for when people are posing and at f1.4 I may be able to stick with ISO400 in low light.
    I really would prefer sharp 17mm f2 (or brighter) pancake as a substitute for both 14 and 20/25 as I like to have no more than 3 lenses to keep it simple but I guess I'm out of luck.
     
  7. Canonista

    Canonista Mu-43 Top Veteran

    563
    Sep 3, 2011
    L.A.
    I've also been thinking about replacing my 20mm with the PL 25mm. The slow focus and focus hunt in low light can get very irritating, especially when trying to capture candids.

    However, the ability of the 20mm to focus at closer distance than the 25mm keeps giving me second thoughts. That and the wider FOV makes the 20mm a more flexible lens for those times I don't wish to carry other lenses.

    I think I'm going to hold off on the PL 25 and wait to see just how good the fast Panny 12-35 zoom will be.
     
  8. MrDoug

    MrDoug Mu-43 Top Veteran

    985
    Sep 5, 2011
    Boise, Idaho
    Yes.. good answer.. LOL.. I like it.. I'm just trying to be sensible, but when GAS sets in, the sensibility factor goes down the toilet! no pun intended.. :rofl:
     
  9. krugorg

    krugorg Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jul 18, 2011
    Minnesota USA
    Good point, and this is probably reason enough to keep. I had also hoped to take it out with friends to dark and dingy music venues and bars, but maybe the 20mm or even the 45 will be better there due to size/concealment.

    It definitely focuses much more quickly than the 20/1.7, at least on my E-P3.

    +1 on the 17mm fast pancake!
     
  10. MrDoug

    MrDoug Mu-43 Top Veteran

    985
    Sep 5, 2011
    Boise, Idaho
    but, being serious here.. I think all the replies to the thread are great and they all make a lot of sense.. tough choices..
     
  11. krugorg

    krugorg Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jul 18, 2011
    Minnesota USA
    Forget everything I said... if you can afford buying, than go for it!

    Just don't sell your 20mm... think this is a complementary lens, not a replacement, IMO.
     
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  12. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    If you can afford it and want it then get it. It's a terrific lens by all accounts (I don't have one so I cannot say from experience). From the examples I have seen it does not appear to be vastly superior to the 20/1.7 (and it appears to be a LOT bigger). I suppose it comes down to whether or not the difference is worth the price. I would probably not see the value in it but that's just me.
     
  13. hkpzee

    hkpzee Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 5, 2011
    Hong Kong
    Patrick
    Mr. Doug, I thought your definition of being sensible has always been "buy first, ask questions later"! :biggrin:

    Jokes aside, as I mentioned in several other threads before, I have not touched my 20mm since I got my PL25. The rattlesnake sound could be a little annoying, but I am not shooting video with my E-P3, so I can live with it. Size also doesn't matter to me as much, since my E-P3, in any lens combo, would not fit into my jacket pocket anyway, and I haven't missed the extra 5mm FOV yet...

    On the other hand, the 20mm has been good to me, and I'd hate to sell it and then regret it...
     
  14. Rudi

    Rudi Mu-43 Top Veteran

    574
    Aug 16, 2010
    Australia
    I'd keep my money for something else. I also have the 20mm f/1.7... and no wish to spend my money on the 25/1.4. Especially since the 25/1.4 is so much larger, and only brings so very little to the table.

    But, if you have a case of GAS, you will probably not hear my advice anyway. :smile:
     
  15. jim_khoo

    jim_khoo Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 9, 2010
    Kuala Lumpur
    ~ just do it ~

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  16. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs Super Moderator

    Apr 17, 2010
    Near Philadephila
    If its an every day, walk around, keep it on the camera most of the time, PRIMARY lens, I'd probably keep the 20 because of the size, weight, FOV, inconspicuousness, etc. if its more of a specialty lens that you may pull out a lot but isn't a constant companion type lens, I'd go for the 25. I had the 20, have the 25, and am VERY happy with it for the way I use it, but those middle focal lengths have never been my favorite as an everyday lens (28mm is more my pace, 35 at least) so its not something I keep on the camera a lot. If I did, the 20's field of view would suit me better, being close enough to the 35mm semi-wide.

    But that's just me and based on how I'd use them.

    -Ray
     
  17. soundimageplus

    soundimageplus Mu-43 Top Veteran

    782
    Feb 2, 2010
    Worcestershire
    If you were using a Panasonic camera, I would very much recommend the 25mm f/1.4, its a superb lens, and along with the 12mm and 45mm Olympus lenses probably the best m4/3 can offer.

    However since you use Olympus cameras, don't underestimate just how annoying the "rattlesnake" effect can be. It seems to vary somewhat, but mine is so bad that the lens is unusable on my Olympus cameras in any situation that requires some "discretion". It is completely silent on my G3 most of the time. However on my E-P3 its non-stop, and pretty loud.

    Outside in sunlight the blades just click away constantly and the only way I can stop it is to put the exposure lock on. Passers by can hear it as I'm walking along and turn round.

    If you do decide to buy one, I'd recommend that you try it on your camera, to see what happens.

    Here are some posts on the lens.

    Soundimageplus: Photographing two seasons with an Olympus E-P3 - Bought Panasonic G3

    Soundimageplus: Panasonic 25mm f/1.4 m4/3 lens review

    Here is a Dpreview thread I started on the "rattlesnake effect".

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=39178279&q=aperture+blades+25mm&qf=m
     
  18. WT21

    WT21 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 19, 2010
    Boston
    It's a good point by David, but this does seem to be variable, as it's quite manageable on my EPL2, which brings up back to a different thread on returning items. Buy from a store with an easy return policy, and see how the 25 behaves on your Pen.
     
  19. soundimageplus

    soundimageplus Mu-43 Top Veteran

    782
    Feb 2, 2010
    Worcestershire
    Indeed. Thats why I stressed the importance of trying it out if possible. The same phenomenon apparently occurs with the 20mm, but having at one time or another had 3 of them, I never had the slightest problem on any Olympus camera, though I'm aware that others do.

    It seems to be down to the different ways that Olympus and Panasonic deal with aperture selection, but why it should be variable between different examples is somewhat of a mystery, and I've yet to hear a satisfactory explanation as to why this should be so.
     
  20. Ray Sachs

    Ray Sachs Super Moderator

    Apr 17, 2010
    Near Philadephila
    Yeah, try it out. I have the 25 and I've never heard a peep from it on my EPL3, but I've seen some of the videos and if its bad, it can be pretty bad...

    -Ray