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Ultra-wide ideas

Discussion in 'This or That? (MFT only)' started by SZRimaging, Mar 26, 2014.

  1. SZRimaging

    SZRimaging Mu-43 Regular

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    Nov 16, 2011
    I would like to add an ultra-wide into my setup for landscapes and interiors. The two requirements are it has to be below $500 and accept filters. Size is not a primary concern, but bonus points for balancing well on an E-M5 with grip. Manual focus and aperture is also 100% acceptable. That instantly knocks out the Panny 7-14mm.

    My current three ideas are:

    Olympus m.Zukio 9-18mm - About $500 to $550 used (haven't found any under $500 yet)
    Olympus Zukio 9-18mm w/ cheap ebay MMF 2 knock off - About $400 to $450
    Sigma 10-20mm w/ cheap focal reducer - About $450 to $500 (Not sure if a DX lens w/ focal reducer works or not)

    The side advantage to the 10-20mm is that focal reducer, which would also work with my 55mm f3.5 pre-AI Nikkor, which may be my all time favorite lens on any camera, as long as you don't wash out the sky or point it into a light source.

    Thoughts, other ideas?
     
  2. SZRimaging

    SZRimaging Mu-43 Regular

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  3. letsgofishing

    letsgofishing Mu-43 Veteran

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    Nov 21, 2012
    South Africa
    Mike Kaplan
    Definitely doesn't take filters...
     
  4. MAubrey

    MAubrey Photographer

    Jul 9, 2012
    Bellingham, WA
    Mike Aubrey
    If you're going to go with a cheapo focal reducer, then I'd advise to skip the Sigma. You're going to want more resolution than that.

    Either of the Olympus 9-18mm's are great lenses. You wouldn't be going wrong with either of those.
     
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  5. RDM

    RDM Mu-43 All-Pro

    I like that idea, but don't skimp, get the metabones speedboster. Also there is a thread somewhere taking about how many of the APS-C dSLR lenses will still cover the 4/3 sensor with the use of a speed booster.

    In this digital age, whats the importance of taking filters?
    Unless you just like having filters on your lens , or you are worried about being clumsy and damaging the front element and wish to put a protective filter on.
     
  6. MAubrey

    MAubrey Photographer

    Jul 9, 2012
    Bellingham, WA
    Mike Aubrey
    There are even some APS-C lenses that will cover an APS-C sensor even with the speedbooster--e.g. the Nikon 35mm f/1.8.
     
  7. SZRimaging

    SZRimaging Mu-43 Regular

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    Nov 16, 2011
    Because you can't replicate a polarizer or 10-stop ND filter, both of which can be very handy, depending on the look you want.
     
  8. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Dara
    I'd pass on the Sigma with the cheap focal reducer, though if you're really not that concerned about resolution, you might be okay with it. The Metabones focal reducer will do a credible job, but that puts you well over budget.

    You don't say how wide you want/need. If 11mm is sufficient, there's the 11-22/2.8-3.5 and 4/3 adapter as well. The 11-22 has long been popular for interiors due to relatively low distortion and fast(isn) aperture. The 9-18s are probably the most practical choice though. The m4/3 occasionally appears on the Olympus refurbished site for $400. With manual focus lenses you're not going to do any better than those lenses optically or price-wise.
     
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  9. SZRimaging

    SZRimaging Mu-43 Regular

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    Nov 16, 2011
    Resolution is a key concern. Some of this will be done for a resort I work at, and the landscapes will hopefully be pushed to their limits. I know the 12-50mm kit lens that came with the E-M5 is lacking (both a little soft and not enough contrast).

    I didn't realize the cheaper adapters were that far off of the Metabones resolution wise. Honestly, it even scares me a bit on the idea of adding an extra part into the system.

    The 11-22 might work if I use a cheater technique on the interiors (pano head), but I am a little afraid it might be just a tad to long. I think I'll set up a test with the 12-50mm in a couple of spots and see how much wider I need to go.
     
  10. SZRimaging

    SZRimaging Mu-43 Regular

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    Nov 16, 2011
    Well, the 11-22 might have another advantage. I work around a lot of water and snow, so add a dust and splash proof adapter (mmf 3, I think) and I'm not blowing the budget by much. A very good thing to consider.
     
  11. peterpix

    peterpix Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 8, 2010
    So. Maine
    Peter Randal
    polarizers don't work well with ultra wide lenses.
     
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  12. jziegler

    jziegler Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 15, 2012
    Salem County, New Jersey
    James
    If resolution is a concern for the landscapes, what about just doing a pano and stitching? You can use whatever lens you already have, and get more resolution than ou ever can with a single shot.
     
  13. SZRimaging

    SZRimaging Mu-43 Regular

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    Nov 16, 2011
    In my experience, I have found that I much prefer using a single shot to do things than stitching. At least with landscapes, I had lots of glitches from moving clouds, water and other objects. And I don't need 36mp of resolution, I just need to maximize the 16mp I have. Make sense?
     
  14. mievil

    mievil Mu-43 Regular

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    May 17, 2013
    San Diego
    Original 9-18 can be had for $300 shipped quite often on eBay and other sites. I just sold mine in excellent condition for $300.
     
  15. jziegler

    jziegler Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 15, 2012
    Salem County, New Jersey
    James
    Makes sense.

    The only lens that you mention that I've used is the native 9-18, and even though I've had it for around a year, I haven't used it too much. Just haven't done the kind of traveling where I'd use it a lot, but what I've done has been pretty good. I think that it has shown up from Olympus as a refurb in your price range (looks like it was $399 not too long ago, might be back to that when they get stock back in).
     
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  16. Narnian

    Narnian Nobody in particular ...

    Aug 6, 2010
    Midlothian, VA
    Richard Elliott
    I believe the m.Zuiko 9-18 will be your best bet.

    1. It not only takes filters but they are relatively small (52mm) and less expensive compared to the other options.
    2. it is also very small which means smaller kit which is why you bought Micro 4/3 in the first place, yes? ;)
    3. Being native m43 you will likely use it more - no adapter to attach and carry.
    4. Did I mention it is very small? :D

    It is my favorite lens for hiking.
     
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  17. Art

    Art Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 13, 2011
    San Francisco, CA
    OLY MZD 9-18 is not bad. You can get full 16MP pixel level resolution under the right circumstances (aperture, exposure, composition, ISO, etc.) and with proper post processing. I got mine during Oly 20% off reconditioned sale for only ~$320. There are plenty of good deals on ebay. Definitely fits your budget.
     
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  18. clockwork247

    clockwork247 Mu-43 Regular

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    Feb 4, 2013
    I think going wide with m4/3 is not a good idea, just get a bigger sensor camera + an ultra wide lens and call it a day, you can probably get a canon 5d and a sigma 12-24, that's less than 1000 bucks and you have a FF camera to play with.
     
  19. cmpatti

    cmpatti Mu-43 Veteran

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    May 8, 2011
    Berkeley, CA
    I suggest that your criteria are too arbitrary and will result in dissatisfaction if you follow them. Just get the mZuiko 9-18, even if it ends up costing a bit more than your $500 limit. The other options are kludges that you'll eventually abandon for a native mFT solution. (Personally, I would go with the P7-14, but that would require you to abandon yet another of your criteria.)