The F4 is olive and looks new, has insert, not sure if it is the original one though. F6 (with some insert) is black and shows wear a little more because the black fades a bit immediately. Both are EASILY 95% of new (so subjective, but no wear other than a little fading). No issues, just went back to my 30 year old F2. I'd say $75 each, we'll discuss shipping depending on where it is going. I"ll eat PP fees though. I have three Domke bags and shuffle inserts all the time. You'll get some insert configuration that is usable.