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Trade in 14‑42mm f3.5‑5.6 EZ Pancake for Panasonic 14mm f2.5

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by michiel91b, Apr 9, 2016.

  1. michiel91b

    michiel91b Mu-43 Rookie

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    Apr 9, 2016
    Hi photo-enthousiasts,

    I have my OM-D EM10 with the pancake kit lens now for over a year and i'm looking for a new lens.

    I shoot landscapes, street photography and a little bit of sports (bmx). I also want a better lens to shoot in low light situations.

    I'm thinking about buying the panasonic 20mm f1.8. Would this be a good cheap lens for the things i'm looking for ? And would I also trade in my kit lens for the 14mm panasonic, or should i keep it? Or trade it in for something else to complete my setup?

    Did I forget to look at some other options ? Budget wise max 250 euro second hand.

    Thanks
     
  2. SkiHound

    SkiHound Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 28, 2012
    Hard question for someone else to answer but I'd ask if you're unhappy with the kit lens? Landscape photography is a very broad category and folks might use anything from fisheyes to relatively long telephotos. I tend to prefer a zoom when doing landscape work because it gives some flexibility. You're kit lens also covers the most commonly used, at least the "classic," street focal lengths (28mm - 50mm FF equivalent). I assume you're shooting bmx at wide angle because I don't think of any of these as typical sports focal lengths. I do think you'd find a fast prime a very nice addition. The 20 is excellent optically but is one of the earlier native m43 lenses; it is not known as a fast focusing lens. The 14 is amazingly tiny and because of that I really enjoy it, but it only gives you about 1 extra f-stop at 14mm. So I don't see that the 14 buys you much over your pancake zoom. Unless you're really unhappy with the pancake zoom. I'd give some thought to either the Oly 17 f/1.8 or the Oly 25 f/1.8. Both give a considerably larger aperture than your current kit lens. Both will focus very fast on your E-M10. Both are classic focal lengths. And you can probably find one of those used for about your budget.
     
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  3. michiel91b

    michiel91b Mu-43 Rookie

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    Apr 9, 2016
    So big problem with the panny 20mm is the slow auto focus ? So for moving objects it's not ideal ?

    Not unhappy with the kit lens, but sometimes a bit unsharp and not useable in low light. I also shoot like 80% on 14mm
     
  4. jimr.pdx

    jimr.pdx Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jim R
    For primes I've gone with Oly 17 and Sigma 30 to go with the 40-150, and will add a 12mm at some point. The body-cap 9mm covers the widest shots. While I had planned on 7.5/14/20/30 as my prime steps, the older 17/2.8 is a dear old :mu43: friend so I went with that instead, and I think the tiny fisheye is sufficient for my uses. I still have a 14-42 for convenience but prefer the primes..though clearly for size not speed with my choices!
     
  5. DoofClenas

    DoofClenas Who needs a Mirror!

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    Nov 9, 2012
    Traverse City, MI
    Clint
    I personally don't think it's that bad. I shot for almost a year with just the 20mm on an epm2. I won't deny, sometimes the af would drive me nuts, but for the most part it's awesome lens.
     
  6. StefanKruse

    StefanKruse Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 28, 2015
    Denmark
    Stefan
    Pant 20mm is a great lense, but for your purposes I would go with the oly17 or 25 because whilst AF on the 20mm is less of an issue in good light it is more so in low light thus for action and street it is trickier to use, the main things the pany has going for it is iq and size.

    You could also trade up and get the 12-40 zoom this gives you. Everything you ask more speed fast AF (can be tricky in low light though) and wide angle for landscapes all combined with great iq but it a lot larger than what you are used to. I have both e-m10 and 12-40 and I love the combination
     
  7. RAH

    RAH Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 1, 2013
    New Hampshire
    Rich
    I think you mean the Panasonic 20mm f1.7, right? I have the first version, which I recently bought used, and think it is great. It is soooo much sharper than the kit lens (I have the 14-42mm 1:3.5-5.6 II R version, not the EZ you have) that it was kind of a revelation to me. I thought the kit was good enough for an upcoming trip I am taking, and it changed my mind.

    So it had a snowball effect on me (GAS bigtime!) and I wound up also getting a Panasonic 12-35 f2.8 as a replacement for the kit. I'm glad I did. The 12-35 is more than your budget, but YES! get the 20mm 1.7 (either version), especially if you can find one used. It seems to be easy to find used ones here in US, probably because of those who are unhappy with the AF speed. For me, it has been acceptably fast, and in my use it seldom hunts, even in low light. So I am very pleased with it. And that 1.7 max aperture is nothing to sneeze at!

    As far as trading in your kit and getting a 25 or 14, myself, I think I wouldn't be happy without some kind of zoom, but that's because I dislike changing lenses in the field. It you don't mind that, I think I'd get the 14 instead of the 25.
     
  8. D7k1

    D7k1 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Nov 18, 2013
    Pany 14 and Sigma 30 used make a very good useful kit.
     
  9. michiel91b

    michiel91b Mu-43 Rookie

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    Apr 9, 2016
    Thanks guys

    Olympus 12-40mm would be pretty nice indeed, but is also pretty expensive for a student like me.

    I'm now biased towards the olympus 17mm f1.8 (good FL for me, very good apature and fast AF for sports).
    But also the sigma 19mm f2.8 is interesting from a price point. Would this also be an option ?
     
  10. RAH

    RAH Mu-43 Veteran

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    New Hampshire
    Rich
    NOOOOO! I bought a Sigma 19mm f2.8 about 6 months ago for the very reason you are thinking about it - cheaper than the Panasonic 20mm 1.7, and hopefully better than the kit. Well, I can tell you, the Sigma isn't all that much better than the kit (especially at the edges), and is not nearly as sharp (or fast, or small) as the Panasonic 20 1.7. I am using my Sigma as a doorstop right now...
     
  11. D7k1

    D7k1 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Nov 18, 2013
    That's pretty interesting as my Sigma 30mm (original one) is very, very sharp. (I'd say as sharp as my 12-35mm). Perhaps your 19mm is a bad one?
     
  12. RAH

    RAH Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 1, 2013
    New Hampshire
    Rich
    Also, one other thing - the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8 is onsale right now in the US at a $300 discount (from $1000 down to $700). I bought mine used for $620 a few weeks before the sale. So, if you are even thinking about springing for the big bucks for the Oly 12-40, you can get the 12-35 much cheaper (and it is a worthy alternative)
     
  13. RAH

    RAH Mu-43 Veteran

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    Rich
    No, I don't think so - from reviews I have read, the 30 is the cream of that crop, and the 19 is very mediocre.
     
  14. StefanKruse

    StefanKruse Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 28, 2015
    Denmark
    Stefan
    Another option is the oly17 2.8 I know reviews are mixed but it is cheap and small and if you take a look in the showcase section you'll see that it is quite capable.
     
  15. michiel91b

    michiel91b Mu-43 Rookie

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    Apr 9, 2016
    Thanks RAH for the warning :D

    It's now really between te panny 20mm (175 euro), panny 14mm (150 euro) and olympus 17mm f1.8 (220 euro)
     
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  16. michiel91b

    michiel91b Mu-43 Rookie

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    would the panny 14 and oly 17mm f2.8 be a significant improvement over my kit lens ?
     
  17. aphasiac

    aphasiac Mu-43 Regular

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    Oct 18, 2015
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    Lumix 14mm 2.5 ain't worth it, tiny bit faster than the EZ but you lose the flexiblity of the 15-42mm range and the super-close focusing.
    20/1.7 and 14-42 EZ makes a great kit, that's what i often use. keep them both.
     
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  18. RAH

    RAH Mu-43 Veteran

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    Rich
    Are you meaning that you would get both the 14 and the 17? If so, couldn't you get a Panasonic 12-35 2.8 (used or perhaps even new) for about the same price as the 2 others combined? If so, I'd definitely go for the 12-35.

    Also, I do not think that the Oly 2.8 would be much of an improvement over the kit. It gets very mediocre reviews. If the 12-35 is too much, I kind of agree with aphasiac about keeping the kit lens and just adding the Pan 20mm 1.7
     
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  19. michiel91b

    michiel91b Mu-43 Rookie

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    Apr 9, 2016
    Nope, thinking about buying the oly 17mm f1.8 second hand for 220 euro. And also selling my 14-42mm for another prime, maybe the sigma 30mm. Still too many options :p
     
  20. michiel91b

    michiel91b Mu-43 Rookie

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    Apr 9, 2016
    Think combination of oly 17mm f1.8 and oly 14-42mm is better than the panasonic 12-35. The panasonic is also much more expensive (+600 euro)