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dcisive

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having a new lens, and NO camera to put it on. I'm returning my P1 today and have to await my dealers arrival of his first PL1's. I'm not a patient man either which doesn't help :frown: I just took deliver of the Panasonic 45-200 OIS lens. That thing is built like a top line Nikkor or Canon L lens. Solid and heavy and precise. Can't wait to slap that bad boy on the front end of a new E-PL1. This is going to give me more gray hairs for sure. :tongue:
 

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Oh, agony... how long do you think you'll have to wait?

Cheers

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having a new lens, and NO camera to put it on. I'm returning my P1 today and have to await my dealers arrival of his first PL1's
Good for you, supporting a local dealer. When I lived in Baltimore, I had a great local camera store and bought my stuff there because the customer service was so good. I haven't found that yet where I live now, so that $3.99 overnight shipping from Amazon (Prime) looks pretty good to me.
 

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I feel for you dcisive, but do credit you with supporting a local, independent dealer. I would love to do that as long as the cost difference wasn't substantial.

Best wishes on a fast waiting time, dcsive!

Just ignore that fellow Streetshooter's offer, though I'm sure he'd treat that lens very well.:wink:
 

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I feel for you dcisive, but do credit you with supporting a local, independent dealer. I would love to do that as long as the cost difference wasn't substantial.
As someone said a while ago, times are a-changing... I got my camera at a local dealer, with a very substantial rebate that put him waaaayyy below the best web offer I had seen so far(*), but what's more, every brick & mortar shop I toured was at least on par with national web merchants (not counting grey market imports), give or take 10~20€. I don't think the difference is outrageous when you get the possibility to handle the thing in person, feeling the weight and balance, and even be able to go a few steps outside to shoot a couple of pics the counter clerk will be more than happy to show you on his screen. Put the added warranty you know the dealer and can go back if something goes wrong in the basket, and I think you've got a fair deal in the end.

I can't vouch for other countries or towns, not even for other parts of this one, and I may be lucky to live at a stone's throw away from "the photography boulevard" of Paris, but I hope this combative stance from traditional business keeps on, because I much prefer dealing face to face when it comes to photography. Cameras are technical jewels, would you buy your wedding ring on the 'net without putting it on first in a real shop ? Don't think so.

Cheers,
Mauve

(*) This dealer is turning into an all-Ricoh shop and was clearing the shelves.
 

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Well, I stopped by there tonight to drop off my other camera. He tells me there is a small chance it may show up tomorrow, but it's a small chance. It will most likely show up Monday. The other thing is black is backordered indefinitely and silver is a few weeks away. He is getting 2 BLUE models in. So it looks like I'm going to get a blue one. Can't wait to fire up that Panny 45-200OIS. That thing is a real beauty. Built like Canon L/Nikon N models are, Tight, heavy and precision made. The focus ring on that is like butter. :whoo::whoo:
 

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I'm somewhat on a similar situation, and I've both cases:

1. I've a lens here without a mount (C-mount lens)
2. I've an adapter here and no lens for it yet (M-mount adapter)

But tomorrow, that M-mount adapter will finally get its fix of CV!
 

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Well, if you want to know the truth I'll tell you why I returned the P1. It loves light. This means as soon as the light goes low the noise comes up. I am well spoiled. I've been using a Nikon D700 for a year and a half, yeah the high ISO king. I'm used to taking shots at ISO1600 which have NO noise in a print whatsoever. I'm seeing shots at ISO200 taken with the P1 with shadow noise. To me that is just NOT something I can live with. From all the test shots I've seen taken with the PL1 I feel comfortable to say I can see at least a full stop of improvement in ISO noise. I need that to be happy with what tool I'm using. Also I found the flash to be a necessity. For some it's not, for me it IS. I wanted to return the other cam as it made no sense to just hang on to it. Oh well. Such is life and the decisions we make. Some folks are fussier than others. Count me on the fussy side. I don't like sensor noise, poor color rendition, chromatic aberration, poor corner sharpness in lenses and front or back focusing. OK.....so I'm spoiled :tongue: my D700 has NONE of the above. I expect my travel cam to get as close as possible to that ideal :dance3::dance3:
 

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I hear you and that's just one of the reasons I'm so interested in seeing a series of photos and an involved review of this camera. I hope when you've had it for a good amount of time that you will give us your feedback, dcisive.
 

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From all the test shots I've seen taken with the PL1 I feel comfortable to say I can see at least a full stop of improvement in ISO noise.
No chance of that, at least not in RAW. The E-P1 and E-PL1 use the same sensor. All current MFT cameras besides the GH1 give up roughly two stops of signal/noise compared to your D700. The GH1 fares better but has a tendency towards banding.

I'm pretty sure that controlled testing from the RAW files will show very little difference between E-P1 and E-PL1 image quality. The latter has a slightly weaker low pass filter and therefore will generally need less sharpening, which will have a slightly beneficial effect on the noise profile since sharpening accentuates noise. Otherwise, they ought to do about the same.
 
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