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The Flash/EVF Dichotomy

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by OzRay, Nov 3, 2010.

  1. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    The inability to use an external flash and EVF at the same time is just dumbest design considerations that Olympus could have made (probably applies to the GF1 and now GF2 as well). Olympus/Panasonic have to address this and provide the ability to use both at the same time (and that includes the external mic for those that want to shoot video). I simply can't believe that this wasn't considered and an option provided for a PC sync or to use say the USB slot to connect to an external hotshoe to fire a flash.

    Even the EVF could have had a PC sync outlet, if it wouldn't fit anywhere else. I find it so frustrating when doing macro work to have to focus with the EVF attached and then take it off and put on the FL-14 to remotely fire the FL-50Rs. I can't use the E-PL1 with EVF and its built-in flash, to trigger the FL-50Rs, because the USB slot won't accept a remote cable release (more dumbness).

    Now I've got an excellent Sunpak ring flash and I'm going to have to do the same swap and go once again. What's more frustrating is that the ring flash also makes for a great general purpose flash, but is utterly useless with manual lenses, as I can't use the EVF at the same time. Olympus designers/engineers have always been considered to be photographers as well (they seemed to understand what photographers needed/wanted), but what happened in the m4/3s division?

    Cheers

    Ray
     
  2. deirdre

    deirdre Mu-43 Top Veteran

    661
    Aug 9, 2010
    Well, you can't use the ring flash with manual lenses AND the EVF, true, but I sometimes use the LCD for manual.
     
  3. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    The real issue is that you have no option for a remote flash and that is a major shortfall in design. I prefer not to use flash if I can get away with it, but sometimes there's no option. There's actually quite an easy solution to the issue and that's to split the EVF so that the eyepiece sits off to the left of the hotshoe and the connector has another hotshoe where it's currently blank and plugs into the hotshoe as normal.

    I would be eminently happy without a swivelling eyepiece, which would make the whole unit quite small(ish)/low profile. If I had the wherewithall to pull the EVF apart and rebuild it, I could do it right now and have the ideal solution. If the EVF wasn't so pricey, I'd have a go regardless and do it slightly differently.

    Here's a shot to illustrate what I mean (some slight redesign and it'd work fine):

    [​IMG]


    Cheers

    Ray
     
  4. briandforever

    briandforever Mu-43 Regular

    87
    Sep 27, 2010
    i once had this thought, but i think this is the price we have to pay for smaller body :)
     
  5. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    I don't think that's the case, it's more to do with intelligent design and Olympus has been a master at this in small form factors in the past.

    Cheers

    Ray
     
  6. Brianetta

    Brianetta Mu-43 Veteran

    438
    Sep 5, 2010
    North East England
    Brian Ronald
    Shame nobody's made a remote EVF for the composite or DV output, eh?
     
  7. Kosta

    Kosta Mu-43 Veteran

    435
    Sep 29, 2010
    Australia
    but if the evf were to sit there, then we couldn't use the inbuilt flash.
    this would mean everyone would need to use an external flash if you wanted to use the evf.
    in some cases i think it is partly trying to fit too much into such a small body, but if the evf was included then it would be no problems for using an external flash at the same time!
     
  8. Brianetta

    Brianetta Mu-43 Veteran

    438
    Sep 5, 2010
    North East England
    Brian Ronald
    That's an E-P2. It doesn't have an inbuilt flash, just the mode dial.
     
  9. Chuckr53

    Chuckr53 Mu-43 Regular

    37
    Jun 15, 2010
    Estero, FL
    Flash Plus EVF

    I agree with you Ray...maybe a module that incorporates both flash and EVF
     
  10. Rider

    Rider Mu-43 Regular

    139
    Oct 14, 2010
    Solution for the flash

    Use the internal flash of the EPL-1 to remotely fire an extern manual flash. Put a strong red (IR) filter on the flash to block the visible light.
     
  11. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    As I said, the main time I want to use a flash is with macro and then I'm using a cable release, you can't use a cable release with the E-PL1. So what Olympus didn't provide with the E-P2, they took away from the E-PL1.

    Cheers

    Ray
     
  12. Rider

    Rider Mu-43 Regular

    139
    Oct 14, 2010
    If it's a macro of a stationary object you can use the time-delay exposure release. Or use the LCD. With magnification, focusing is very accurate.
     
  13. PeterB666

    PeterB666 Mu-43 Top Veteran

    780
    Jan 14, 2010
    Tura Beach, Australia
    Peter
  14. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    Time delay is a painful cludge and not useful when I'm using one of these:

    [​IMG]

    Cheers

    Ray
     
  15. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    Interesting concept (looks huge), but the outlet is already on the E-P2, all it needs is for the viewfinder to be relocatable. As I said, if it weren't for the cost of the EVF, I'd almost be prepared to get one and pull it apart to make a remote EVF.

    Cheers

    Ray
     
  16. Chuckr53

    Chuckr53 Mu-43 Regular

    37
    Jun 15, 2010
    Estero, FL
    That looks huge!
     
  17. goldenlight

    goldenlight Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 30, 2010
    Essex
    John
    Maybe the solution would be for Olympus to provide a custom designed flash bracket/grip with hot shoe that screws into the tripod socket. Electronic sockets in the base plate could then connect to sockets in the bracket to give full auto flash control. It would also make it easier to hold the camera with a large unit like the FL50R attached. A very small trigger flash to remotely fire off camera flashes could also be available to fit the hot shoe on the bracket. The bracket could also incorporate a tripod socket itself so that the whole assembly could still be mounted on a tripod.

    A bracket like this would also enable a stereo mike to be mounted when the EVF is being used on the camera.
     
  18. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    All they really need to do, and I hope this is what's going to be in the E-P3, is to have the EVF built-in; a mini-Leica(ish) type camera, but with EVF. But I still wish there was a way to do this with the E-P2.

    And just on a side note, I wonder if a battery grip would give the necessary grunt to make the 4/3s lenses perform faster/better?

    Cheers

    Ray
     
  19. goldenlight

    goldenlight Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 30, 2010
    Essex
    John
    I think many of us hold that hope for the E-P3, I just hope they accomplish it without the prism type hump of the Panasonic G/GH series. Good point about the battery grip, it would also make using large and heavy lenses more comfortable.