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Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by TonyG, Mar 17, 2016.
The Camera Store updated their review of the PEN F regarding the subpar CAF performance.
Thanks for posting this!
And... it's still subpar, compared to the competition.
Yep and for some reason I still want one.
What was Olympus thinking about the CAF performance when they released this camera? This is an expensive camera and it should be top shelf. I find their policy of keeping the EM1 as their
top AF performer strange to say the least. Panasonic is making an attempt to incorporate improved AF performance across model lines.
I never use C-AF, but it's surprising it's that much worse than the Em5 II. I'm wondering if a firmware fix is possible. It's tough when your competition is your own product line, especially given that you can grab the refurb em5 II for $530 during the current sale.
That's pretty bad AF. How can Olympus charge so much for this camera with such a glaring issue? Has to be the psychology behind brand loyalty at work. Panasonic, unfortunately for the company, has never generated such zealotry despite making excellent rangefinder cameras that work quite well. Wonder how much better the GX7 and GX8 would sell if the only difference was that they came from Olympus. I am in no way trying to be inflammatory, and I apologize in advance if that's how it comes across. And I currently own an Em10 and Em1, so I vote with my dollars when the value for the money is there. But I have also owned and enjoyed Panasonic cameras and lenses, and frankly I get concerned at times for the long term success of the MFT partnership when people consistently look past Panasonic to remain brand loyal despite such fundamental flaws.
I tested this "issue" myself earlier this week at the shop while waiting for some Panasonic stuff, of all things..
I suggest those who are keen beyond internet punditry, do the same. I'm glad I did.
Meaning what? your experience was different that The Camera Store's? Frankly I'm surprised that the Pen-F's C-AF is worse that the EM5II's. I know its a different camera and a different sensor, but I suppose I didn't think/realize that the AF performance was that tied to the sensor. I thought it was more a function of firmware and lens design/construction. I would have expected it to at least be as good as the other Olympus cameras apart from the EM1.
Interesting finding. Perhaps Olympus can/will make improvements through firmware?
For the many people to whom C-AF is of little to no importance, this isn't a problem. I never use C-AF, though wouldn't mind having that feature working well in any body that I purchase. For those who rely on C-AF, this probably isn't the camera model for them.
Hopefully they can improve this in firmware. I'm no engineer, but if the S-AF is fine and assuming they didn't go cheap on the processor, then I suppose a software fix could be in order. Seems like a decent camera otherwise. It may develop greater appeal to those outside the Olympus faithful once pricing is adjusted downwards to a more realistic figure and away from the stiff competition (including other formats, e.g. Sony A6300) it currently faces.
Interesting that reviewer/Olympus employee Rob Wong goes out of his way to put a disclaimer in his review as follows: "I did not test the Continuous AF capability of the camera, because of two reasons: I do not use C-AF in my shooting much, and Olympus did not claim to have improved C-AF in PEN-F."
Robin Wong: Olympus PEN-F Review Part 1
I wish I had a shop nearby.
hard to understand. C-AF isnt just for sports and wildlife photography. Avoiding the inevitable negative commentary alone should have made better C-AF a bigger priority.
AF is as much about software as it is hardware. They should be able to improve the C-AF since the processor should be the same as other models. Unless they used lots of resources for the new JPG modes and processing.
CAF is a lingering Achilles heel of u43. It's not an inevitable result of contrast detect since both Nikon with the 1 series and Sony with the 6000 series show it can be done.
Does anyone know why both Olympus and Panasonic have avoided using hybrid CAF/PDAF systems like those that are now standard in Fuji and Sony land? Is it something to do with the m43 format, or more just stubbornness?
Both the Nikon 1 and a6000 use on chip PDAF like the E-M1.
The E-M1 is the only hybrid PDAF on chip AF implementation in the m43 range. Panasonic uses DFD on some models which works well but apparently not quite as well.
Ah - thanks for pointing that out. Mind you, I wouldn't say the E-M1's CAF is much good either !
PDAF depends on physical characteristics of the sensor and Sony doesn't seem very interested in making those types of sensors. Olympus would be the only customer for them.