Telephoto to match IQ of "L"

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by Foster2380, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. Foster2380

    Foster2380 Mu-43 Regular

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    Jun 6, 2012
    Hello, I'm new to this forum after the OM-D has peaked my interest in this format. I currently shoot with a 5d mark ii. I have gathered that the 20mm 1.7 and the 45 1.8 are very nice lenses (I'm sure there are plenty of others too) but I'm unsure on the telephoto side of things. So can anyone help me out and match my current kit to the :43: equivalent? Not just focal range but I'm more interested in matching the IQ. Can it be done for a reasonable cost?

    My Canon lenses are:
    50 1.4
    24-105 f4 L
    70-200 f4 IS L
     
  2. Promit

    Promit Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 6, 2011
    Baltimore, MD
    Promit Roy
    We're getting 12-35 and 35-100 f/2.8 constant zooms this summer which should easily equal those lenses. Of course "reasonable cost" is unclear, as both lenses are north of $1000 USD. But they are supposed to be competitive with the best of L glass which costs much more.
     
  3. Ned

    Ned Mu-43 Legend

    Jul 18, 2010
    Alberta, Canada
    You only have the slower versions of the Canon L lenses, but when they are available the Lumix X 12-35mm f/2.8 will be a good match for the Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L and the Lumix X 35-100mm f/2.8 will be a good match for the Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L - the faster options to your f/4 lenses. So once these lenses are ready for purchase (the 12-35mm is already on the way, then the 35-100mm will follow) then you'll have an even better kit than you had on the 5DII.

    For the 50mm f/1.4 you can already replace that with the Leica 25mm f/1.4 Summilux with significantly higher optical quality.
     
  4. mattia

    mattia Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 3, 2012
    The Netherlands
    Basically, right now the answer is 'maybe' - neither the 12-35 nor the 35-100 have reached users, and the number of reviews of the former is tiny, and nonexistent for the latter. Results look promising, though. As for 'reasonable', well, the 12-35 is priced at 1300, and I'd guess the 35-100 will be at leas that expensive, if not more.
     
  5. dre_tech

    dre_tech Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 31, 2012
    As Ned mentions, the PL 25/1.4 is probably more interesting for you than the 20/1.7 unless you want a smaller lens.

    Costs won't be very reasonable if you go for the new Panasonic 12-35 & 35-100 2.8 lenses. Granted they are faster than what you shoot on Canon, they are also more expensive.

    You said you don't necessarily want to match the focal lengths. What do you say about 12-35/2.8 ($1300), 45/1.8 ($399), 75/1.8 ($899)? Optionally also the 25/1.4 ($539) or 20/1.7($359). The new outfit cost you about as much as a new 5DII + your lenses basically, if you get the E-M5 body + 12-35, 25, 45, 75.
     
  6. FlyPenFly

    FlyPenFly Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 15, 2011
    The PL 25 1.4 is arguably nicer than any 50 equivalent lens out there right now that is autofocus. I can only think of Leica or the 50MP being better at that focal length.

    But of course thin DoF isn't something it can do to APS-C or FF but it does have lovely bokeh.
     
  7. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Dara
    Well, the 45/1.8 is already moderate telephoto (90mm equivalent).

    The 70-200/4L is one of Canon's better lenses. None of the current telephoto zooms (40-150, 45-175, 45-200, 75-300 and 100-300) are comparable in terms of IQ. The announced-but-not-released Panasonic X 35-100/2.8 (est. price $1500) may be, but nobody's been able to test one yet. If you don't mind primes, the Olympus 75/1.8 ($900) also looks promising, but it too is not yet available either to test or buy. Both should be out by the end of the year, with the 75/1.8 coming sooner.

    DH
     
  8. drewbot

    drewbot Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 21, 2011
    Toronto, ON
    The 70-200 f4 L IS is one of the sharpest Canon lenses I've used.

    We'll have to see how the 35-100 compares.
     
  9. mattia

    mattia Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 3, 2012
    The Netherlands
    The 45/1.8 is a nice lens, but it's not THAT nice. It's sort of like the 85/1.8 - sharp, good, not 'OMG AWESOME' - I have exactly 4 lenses that give me that 'chill', and two are Canons: the 35L, the 135L, the Sigma 50/1.4 and the Contax/Zeiss 50/1.4 (the 35/2.8 is close and very nice, perhaps a touch sharper, but at f2.8 isn't quite as exciting)

    The 50/1.4 (Zeiss) remains fantastic fun to use on the mu43. But is MF only (duh).
     
  10. zettapixel

    zettapixel Mu-43 Veteran

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    Aug 12, 2010
    NY
    True, but OP current kit does not include the 'OMG AWESOME' lenses either. 70-200 probably comes closest but AFAIK not quite in the class of 135L / Sigma 50.

    12-35 + 25/1.4 should compete pretty well against 24-105 + EF50/1.4 (although with shorter range). Telephoto is not there yet though, at least not with AF.
     
  11. Foster2380

    Foster2380 Mu-43 Regular

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    Jun 6, 2012
    This is all very good info thank you everyone. It gives me a good starting point to do some further research. I was hoping to make a nice kit that was small enough to travel with and not be a burden to carry but not sacrifice IQ from what I'm used to.

    The only lens I'm really attached to currently is my 70-200 F4 IS.
     
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  12. sam_m

    sam_m Mu-43 Regular

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    Jul 26, 2010
    Kinda in a similar boat with wanting a high end telephoto and the 35-100 looks to be fantastic. Also the 75mm Olympus will definely be in my kit. Just hope (praying) the 75mm f1.8 arrives before the end of September!!!
     
  13. usayit

    usayit Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    If so.. then why even keep the Canon? :)
     
  14. jmaher

    jmaher Mu-43 Regular

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    Jun 7, 2012
    Sarasota, FL
    Jim
    I would love a solution as well. Would either the 100-300 or the 75-300 match the IQ of the Canon 70-200 f/4 IS? I know they wont match the f/4 but that is only one criteria.

    I recently purchased the OM-D and used it along with a 5D2 today. On the 5D2 I used the 70-200 f/4 and on the OM-d I used the 40-150 inexpensive zoom I purchased at the reduced price offered. the 70-200 shots are consistently better and I had a higher in focus hit rate as well.

    Two examples:

    OM-D
    20120613-P6130267-1.

    5D2
    20120613-IMG_0512.

    Although you can't see much as this resolution the Canon is clearly resolving more detail.

    Jim
     
  15. jmaher

    jmaher Mu-43 Regular

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    Jun 7, 2012
    Sarasota, FL
    Jim
    I would love a solution as well. Would either the 100-300 or the 75-300 match the IQ of the Canon 70-200 f/4 IS? I know they wont match the f/4 but that is only one criteria.

    I recently purchased the OM-D and used it along with a 5D2 today. On the 5D2 I used the 70-200 f/4 (and a 1.4 extender) and on the OM-d I used the 40-150 inexpensive zoom I purchased at the reduced price offered. the 70-200 shots are consistently better and I had a higher in focus hit rate as well.

    Two examples:

    OM-D
    20120613-P6130267-1.
    5D2
    20120613-IMG_0512.

    Although you can't see much as this resolution the Canon is clearly resolving more detail.

    Jim
     
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  16. kevwilfoto

    kevwilfoto Mu-43 Veteran

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    Sep 23, 2011
    Colorado
    I don't believe any current :43: telephoto lenses will "match" a 70-200/4L and 5D (m2 or m3) combo for sharpness or detail resolution. The 100-300 is very nice, comparable to the Canon 100-400L, and is better than the Panasonic 45-175X.

    If Panasonic releases a 35-100/2.8, it might be very good, but there's a lot of "if"s and "maybe"s in that scenario. It will be one to watch for.

    Adapted lenses from Olympus 4/3 line, like the 50-200 or the super-high-grade lenses like 35-100/2.0, 150/2.0, 90-250/2.8, or 300/2.8 might give "L" glass a run for it's money, but I've never tried them. (would like to!)
     
  17. Foster2380

    Foster2380 Mu-43 Regular

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    Jun 6, 2012
    Its a good question. One I'm hoping to answer soon. I found an OM-D available on Amazon for literally 5 minutes (man they go quick!) and snapped one up with the 12-50 kit lens. I also found a used 20mm 1.7 from a member on here.

    Ultimately I would love for the OM-D to replace the 5D2 kit. But I'm skeptical that it will. The answers from this thread led me to think that the OM-D and some reasonably priced lenses will compliment instead of replace my 5D2 kit.

    So while the only lens I'm really attached to is the 70-200 f4 IS, I love the 5D2 and the images I get with my other lenses as well.
     
  18. usayit

    usayit Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Many here will agree that the MFT system in its current state isn't intended to replace the DSLR... its a great balance between size and image quality. Most MFT users I know use it to supplement rather than replace.

    I was a Canon shooter myself... most lenses L with 1 series bodies. If I were still demanding a lot out of the system, I'd still be shooting with it. Times have changed and so has priorities. As such the Canon is gone and I haven't looked back.
     
  19. jmaher

    jmaher Mu-43 Regular

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    Jun 7, 2012
    Sarasota, FL
    Jim
    I am not sure that a OM-D with the 25 1.4 or the 45 1.8 can't replace a Canon 50 or a Canon 85 1.8 in all areas except for shallow depth of field. It seems like these lenses (as well as the 12) would give any Canon lens stiff completion. It's just the telephotos that seem to significantly suffer in comparison.

    Jim
     
  20. mattia

    mattia Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 3, 2012
    The Netherlands
    The 5DII sensor is, certainly in good light, better than the E-M5's. And you're shooting what is arguably one of Canon's finest tele zooms in terms of sharpness. There's also the better subject isolation with the F4 on the large sensor vs. higher F-stop on the 2x crop factor sensor.

    I still love shooting the 5DII paired with my favorite glass (24-105L for standard, 50/1.4 sigma, 35L, 135L) and if I'm shooting for strong subject isolation and control of DoF, it's certainly a good bit easier to do with the Canon than the E-M5. And nice as the m43 glass is, I don't yet have any that quite reaches the lofty heights of some of my L glass, not so much in terms of sharpness as in terms of color and contrast rendering.