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Summicron envy

Discussion in 'Adapted Lenses' started by dixeyk, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    I have for a long time been quite taken with images I have seen coming from the Summicron 40/2. On the times I have saved up enough to pick one up other things have come up (vet bills, fender bender...you get the idea) and now with my new "less filling" work situation it'll probably be a while before I see one. What are some options (in the affordable zone) that might get me part of the way there?

    I've tried a number of lenses and currently, of the lenses I have now the one that gives me the closest to the look I want is my OM50/1.4 (over 1.1 million S/N). My Helios 44M probably was THE right lens (sold it) but on the m42 mount it was ungainly at best on my E-PL1 and I suspect would be worse on my E-PM1. I have the same issue with my Super Takumar 50/1.4 (hate that m42 mount).

    I'm still trying to articulate what it is I like about the Summicron 40...but I will say that the Helios 44 IMHO looked as good to my eyes (if that helps). I'll see if I can dig up sample to show.

    Any suggestions?
     
  2. wlewisiii

    wlewisiii Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 16, 2011
    Hayward, WI
    William Barnett-Lewis
    Try to find a Canon FD 35/2 "Chrome Nose". This is a lens they made before the S.S.C markings and the filter ring was chrome. It does use Thorium glass so it may be yellowed. If so, put it under a UV lamp for a couple of weeks. If you get a clear one, you'll find a lens that draws very similar, IME, to the Summicron 40/2 for a fair bit less money. I have owned both; I only miss the Canon lens. 40mm just didn't work for me as a focal length though the lens, itself, was superb.
     
  3. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    Thanks, I'll look at that. I have never rally considered older FD lenses much (partially because I never liked my Canon AE1) but as I recall the FD 50/1.4 was always a very nice lens.
     
  4. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    Ii have been thinking about gong the FSU lens route as the Helios 44 is a lot closer than anything else I have found (that I can afford at the moment). I have been intrigued with the Industar 61LD. It comes in m39 mount and is reputed to be quite nice.

    Here are a coupe of Helios 44 shots that I quite like (they're not great pictures bt they have a quality to them that is the lens)...

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dixeyk/5079640029/" title="Blue Spruce by dixeyk, on Flickr"> 5079640029_9c6483f1ca_b. "1024" height="768" alt="Blue Spruce"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dixeyk/5079642133/" title="Red Red Rose by dixeyk, on Flickr"> 5079642133_1c5c261799_b. "1024" height="768" alt="Red Red Rose"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dixeyk/5080234834/" title="Summer's End by dixeyk, on Flickr"> 5080234834_f73390dda6_b. "1024" height="768" alt="Summer's End"></a>
     
  5. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    Ii have been thinking about gong the FSU lens route as the Helios 44 is a lot closer than anything else I have found (that I can afford at the moment). I have been intrigued with the Industar 61LD. It comes in m39 mount and is reputed to be quite nice.

    Here are a coupe of Helios 44 shots that I quite like (they're not great pictures but they have a quality to them that is the lens)...

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dixeyk/5079640029/" title="Blue Spruce by dixeyk, on Flickr"> 5079640029_9c6483f1ca_b. "1024" height="768" alt="Blue Spruce"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dixeyk/5079642133/" title="Red Red Rose by dixeyk, on Flickr"> 5079642133_1c5c261799_b. "1024" height="768" alt="Red Red Rose"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dixeyk/5080234834/" title="Summer's End by dixeyk, on Flickr"> 5080234834_f73390dda6_b. "1024" height="768" alt="Summer's End"></a>
     
  6. wlewisiii

    wlewisiii Mu-43 Veteran

    236
    Dec 16, 2011
    Hayward, WI
    William Barnett-Lewis
    Nice work. The I-61L/D is better though. If you want a really good stupid cheap lens, that's the one to get. Pure tessar design with Lanthanum glass. Wonderful combo & the best that the Russians ever made. Give it a shot - if for any reason you don't like it, I'll buy it from you at market value.
     
  7. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    That's what to seems like to me. Thanks for the feedback.
     
  8. My favourite "vintage" lens is an OM Zuiko 50/1.4 Silvernose. Sharp and contrasty when stopped down and used with a lens hood, but starts to show some character when opened up whilst still avoiding total collapse into a mess of abberrations. My second suggestion you've already mentioned: the Helios 44M, though I don't know what the difference is between the myriad varieties.
     
  9. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    I do quite like the OM50/1.4. I have a later version and it's pretty great. My big beef with the Helios 44 is the size because of the m42 adapter. If I could find an m39 version (that didn't look like it was run over by a tank) I'd get one of those.
     
  10. foto2021

    foto2021 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Nov 5, 2011
    SE England

    I am fortunate to own the 40mm Summicron and rate it as one of the best Leica lenses I have ever used. It is up there with the last pre-ASPH 35mm Summicron which is probably my all-time favourite lens. The 40mm has more light fall-off because of its very compact design. It is otherwise very much the equal of the last pre-ASPH 35mm.

    If you can tolerate an increase in focal length to 50mm, the former Soviet Union Zeiss-inspired Jupiter designs have lovely optical qualities and give very pleasing results on MFT. There are 50mm f/2 (very common) and f/1.5 (rarer) versions. They come in Leica M39 screw and Contax (rangefinder) bayonet mounts and cost a fraction of the price of a 40mm Summicron.

    As with most former Soviet products there is a lot of sample variation, so buy from a dealer or auction seller with a good returns policy.
     
  11. Markb

    Markb Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jun 9, 2011
    Kent, UK
    Mark
    Look out for a Canon 35 f2 in Leica screw mount :wink: Prices are rising though and may e getting towards the Summicron-C.
    The Helios 77m is closer in character to a 50 Summicron than the 44 if you want to go Soviet. Jupiters are Zeiss Sonnar designs. The Jupiter 8 is the f2 version. F1.5 Jupiter 3s go for quite a lot these days.
     
  12. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010

    I just recently picked up (well a few months back) a very nice black bodied Jupiter 8. I haven't had the chance to use it yet. I'll break it to today and see what's up with it.
     
  13. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    Helios 77? Hmmm...
     
  14. Brian S

    Brian S Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Apr 11, 2009
    The Helios-77 is a 50mm lens, goes for about the same price as a Pentax 50 and others.

    The Canon 35/2 is running almost as much as a 40/2 Summicron, does not yield as nice of an image. Many more "Swirlies" on the Canon out-of-focus regions, more like the older Summarit and Summitar.

    Leica mount wide-angle lenses tend to go for much more than their SLR counterparts. The next J-12 that I get in Leica mount is going to be used to hack a Wollensak 35/2. This lens was a junk-bin find, got two of them. The first is now in contax RF mount.

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    Raptar 35/2 Converted to Contax Mount, on the EP2 - Mu-43 Gallery

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    The rendering of this lens is very close to the Canon 35/2. I sold my Canon 35/2, kept the 40/2 Summicron.

    Summicron 40/2 on my EP2 for comparison.

    https://www.mu-43.com/f40/summicron-c-40-2-ep2-3393/
     
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  15. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    I took out the Jupiter 8 today and gave it a go. I like the images but man is that one weird lens to work with. The aperture ring at the front and no click stops makes for a strange experience. Also it feels like the close focus distance is about thirty feet. :eek: I had a along a Konica 40 as well and by comparison the Konica is a really sweet lens to shot with. The short throw focus is especially nice. I came back thinking that the picture taking experience from the Konica was light years ahead of the Jupiter 8...

    Then I looked at the images. The Jupiter 8 images have a reeaaaaaaly nice quality to them. The images are lower contrast but the way to draws the image sis really cool. The Konica looks almost ...harsh by comparison. Too bad you need to be a circus acrobat to use the lens. I'm gonna need some practice to get used to it.

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