Strange mark on images

Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by dougan, Oct 3, 2015.

  1. dougan

    dougan Mu-43 Rookie

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    Jul 9, 2015
    Doug
    Took my OM-D10 out today for only the 4th time. It had the 14-42 Olympus EZ attached.
    There is a circular mark in the upper centre of the images clearly seen against the blue skies.
    Cannot see anything obvious on the lens.
    PA030052-red. PA030053red.
    Any ideas of what they could be?
     
  2. bredman

    bredman Mu-43 Veteran

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    May 30, 2013
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    Pete
    It's something on the sensor.
     
  3. dougan

    dougan Mu-43 Rookie

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    Jul 9, 2015
    Doug
    Surprised to have something on the sensor with such little use.
    Will it be easy to remove?
     
  4. eteless

    eteless Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 20, 2014
    it's dust, the spec is probably 0.1mm big, I doubt you can see it with your eyes. Turn the Camera off and on a dozen or so times and see if the sensor shaker will get rid of it, if that doesn't work try a bulb to blow air.
     
  5. dougan

    dougan Mu-43 Rookie

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    Jul 9, 2015
    Doug
    Many thanks for the advice
     
  6. eteless

    eteless Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 20, 2014
    If you need to blow air make sure the camera is facing downwards and blow air up inside it.

    It's sort of hard to get a sensor perfectly clean... you probably don't want to see a picture of a while wall taken with mine...
     
  7. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Rocket blower is an essential accessory for these cameras, I'm afraid.
     
  8. eteless

    eteless Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 20, 2014
    _A040052-as-Smart-Object-1.

    Actually, this body wasn't anywhere near as bad as I thought it would be. (taken at f/22)
     
  9. b_rubenstein

    b_rubenstein Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 20, 2012
    Melbourne, FL
    That's not dust on the sensor. Some sort of liquid residue. Dust is much smaller and darker.
     
  10. rmcnelly

    rmcnelly Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 21, 2015
    Portsmouth, VA
    Could it be in the lens?
     
  11. Growltiger

    Growltiger Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Mar 26, 2014
    UK
    Looks like dust to me.
     
  12. nuclearboy

    nuclearboy Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jan 28, 2011
    USA
    UFO

    unidentified fouling object
     
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  13. Jfrader

    Jfrader Guest

    It's dust or dirt. The image of dust will vary from hard-edged to faint and amorphous depending on the f-stop used. It typically becomes a problem when proper care is not taken in changing lenses. Unfortunately, Olympus discourages user wet-cleaning of sensors so the air bulb and internal dust shaker are the only realistic options.

    The spot on the image is easily removed in post-processing using Content Aware Healing but it gets to be a pain to have to fix every image, especially if you have several spots.
     
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  14. Amin Sabet

    Amin Sabet Administrator

    Apr 10, 2009
    Boston, MA (USA)
  15. fsuscotphoto

    fsuscotphoto Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Ron
    That second one is nasty. I would be very concerned if it were me, but I over react to dirt on my equipment.
     
  16. dougan

    dougan Mu-43 Rookie

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    Jul 9, 2015
    Doug
    I have only changed lenses a couple of times, just unlucky I guess!
     
  17. Growltiger

    Growltiger Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    UK
    Make sure you use a genuine Rocket blower not a cheaper copy. I bought one that looked the same and the first puff sent 1000 black particles from the inside of the blower onto the sensor.
     
  18. Ross the fiddler

    Ross the fiddler Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    The way to see any dust spots, "dust bunnies", is to close the aperture down to f22 taking a photo of a plain, bright area (sky or brightly lit plain wall but out of focus would probably be better) & that is the worse case scenario for showing any particles on the sensor (or more correctly, sensor filter stack) as large apertures (f1.8) it may not be particularly noticeable.

    That is certainly something to be very wary of, thanks.
     
  19. DaveEP

    DaveEP Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sep 20, 2014
    York, UK
    Looks like dust to me. Just don't shoot at f22 (or anything above f8 or f11) and most people will never see a dust problem. Almost every camera will exhibit some problems at f22 unless it's just been cleaned.

    There really is no benefit to shooting at f22 on M43. While many people think that it will give you more DOF, all it really does is rob you of details and make the image worse!

    I did an aperture comparison on several lenses to see how sharpness falls off as the aperture increases (scroll down the pages to see the 100% crops):

    Olympus 12mm Review
    Olympus 45mm Review
    Lumix 7-14mm Review
    Lumix 14mm f2.6 Review
    Lumix 14-140mm Review

    As you can see, it's not just one lens, it's actually all of them. I rarely shoot above f8 on M43 because of diffraction.
     
  20. eteless

    eteless Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 20, 2014
    If you need DoF you need DoF, it's hard to get around unless you use a composite image. The blur caused by diffraction is easily countered by sharpening as it is a global effect, having things so out of focus that you cannot tell what they are can't be changed in post.