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Sooo....too early to get some user-feedback on the Lx100?

Discussion in 'Panasonic Cameras' started by tosvus, Oct 31, 2014.

  1. tosvus

    tosvus Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jan 4, 2014
    I've read that some were in stocks, and some pre-orders fulfilled, so I am curious about getting some real world feedback/experiences/samples on this camera. I am almost certain I will end up buying this in the next 6 months, but still wondering how I will like the fact that it is multi-format (which presumably even with Raw I have to select ahead), the lower resolution that comes with it, and the quality the built in lens is capable of producing. Oh, and the 4K video, how good it really is! :)

    Owners, please feel free to share! :)

    Great tip from user alexO over at EOSHD for editing raw files!

    Since LX100 uses the same sensor as GX7, I was able to convert LX100 raw after running exiftool (download from http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/ ) on raw files tricking it thinking those raws comes from GX7:
    exiftool -model="DMC-GX7" --raw_file_name--
    Then you could use raw converter of your choice which supports GX7(I think all do).



    Some links:

    Unboxing by fellow mu-43'er Talanis:
    http://www.mirrorlessjourney.com/blog/2014/11/panasonic-dmc-lx100-unboxing-and-a-quick-raw-fix

    Reviews:
    http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_LX100/
    http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_dmc_lx100_review/
    http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/131317-panasonic-lumix-lx100-review-high-end-highs-and-lows

    Hands on previews:
    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-lx100/panasonic-lx100A.HTM
    http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx100/6
    http://www.amateurphotographer.co.u...sonic-lumix-dmc-lx100-review-hands-first-look


    Reviews/Opinion focused more on the video features:
    http://www.eoshd.com/2014/11/shooting-4k-pocket-camera-exceptional-panasonic-lx100/ (First part of review by Andrew Reid at EOSHD)
    http://cheesycam.com/panasonic-lx100-first-random-test-video-samples/ (CheesyCam has done some different footage)


    Some video reviews/interviews:
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/videos/watch/first-look:-panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx100/3783722585001
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K7v3IyuMnE (thecamerastore)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WChsqZxhIE (artoftheimage)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQbgmGK_jzo (lengthy walk through by Ralfs Foto-Bude)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2OTl1ULR2U (Quick walkthrough w/Matt Granger)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnD9QRAgvFI (Digital Digest has a bit of a different take on it)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwwcM6jnnZc (review by Peter Gregg)
     
  2. MrKal_El

    MrKal_El Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Mar 24, 2011
    Mine is on the way...hoping Monday...
     
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  3. tosvus

    tosvus Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jan 4, 2014
    cool, keep us posted! :D
     
  4. compute42

    compute42 Mu-43 Regular

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    Apr 1, 2014
    I'm hoping monday as well
     
  5. Kenny

    Kenny Mu-43 Regular

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    Sep 9, 2012
    KL Malaysia
    Mine supposed to arrive on friday, but UPS screwed up somewhere and it got delayed to monday :(


    Sent from my iPhone using Mu-43
     
  6. MrKal_El

    MrKal_El Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Mar 24, 2011
    Ain't that the worse?
     
  7. Talanis

    Talanis Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 15, 2012
    Sherbrooke, Canada
    Eric Cote
    Monday or Tuesday for me. I will surely have more than one blog post on it :)

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Mu-43 mobile app
     
  8. Pablo

    Pablo Mu-43 Regular

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    Sep 9, 2014
    That is a very interesting camera.

    Any chance Panasonic is considering releasing a variation of that lens for ILCs?
     
  9. JYPfoto

    JYPfoto Mu-43 Veteran

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    Aug 27, 2013
    Probably not. It has a wider range than the existing 12-35, has a wider aperture, so it'd have to be both larger and definately more expensive than the current one.

    I have mine coming in on Monday as well, two copies in fact, but the one from B&H is most likely going back the same day.
     
  10. Pablo

    Pablo Mu-43 Regular

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    Sep 9, 2014
    But they already made this lens as small as it is for the LX100, is it all attributed to shorter register distance or am I missing something else?

    Congrats! :)
     
  11. Talanis

    Talanis Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 15, 2012
    Sherbrooke, Canada
    Eric Cote
    It doesn't cover all the sensor so it could not simply be transferred to ILCs
     
  12. Pablo

    Pablo Mu-43 Regular

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    Sep 9, 2014
    That is even more confusing as I was under the impression that the LX100 has a m4/3 sensor.
     
  13. MoonMind

    MoonMind Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 25, 2014
    Switzerland
    Matt
    It has - but the image circle doesn't cover all of it, so only part of it is used. That's why the 24mm equivalent is 10.9mm instead of 12mm. Old news - and not a problem, according to the reviews so far: Still an impressive performance.

    M.
     
  14. tosvus

    tosvus Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jan 4, 2014
    Yes, the lens could be smaller due to smaller image circle, ability to mount closer to sensor, and also the new ability of making lenses with both sides being aspherical. (I think). I'm hoping down the road Panasonic could make both a somewhat smaller fixed 2.8 12-35 and a similar size 12-35 they have today, but faster.
     
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  15. QualityBuiltIn

    QualityBuiltIn Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 1, 2011
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    I'm a little disturbed, on behalf of B&H and other independent retailers, that you would appear to be so self serving and exploitative as to order a brand new product with every intention of returning it. The seller probably has to cover shipping costs as well as the admin of processing you order then is obliged to accept it back but can no longer sell it as new. You've just killed B&H's quite reasonably deserved margin. I fear that this sort of exploitation will be the end of helpful, service oriented businesses.

    Consider this; would you buy some nice clothes, wear them out to dinner, then return them for a refund?

    Apologies if I've mis-understood the reasons behind why you ordered two LX100s

    Cheers
     
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  16. DougVaughn

    DougVaughn Mu-43 Regular

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    Oct 30, 2013
    Franklin, TN
    Doug Vaughn
    Mine is scheduled to arrive from B&H on Tuesday. Much earlier than I had expected. Now I need to get busy and sell my E-M10, which was an extra camera to my E-M1.
     
  17. Serhan

    Serhan Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    May 7, 2011
    NYC
    I like the camera a lot. I had a lx3, then I switched to m43 with E-P1,2,3, etc and lately gm1/gx7... It is not pant pocketable but definitely good for coats:) The camera is 1-2 stops faster then RX100/g7X and gm1/A6000 kit lenses, eg nearly similar aperture as FF camera kit lenses and those are not that small... I wish it had a 100mm reach, tiltable and touch lcd but it is what it is.

    Most of my shots are from my lunch break on Friday which was a cloudy and windy day eg lots of movement with foliage/flowers. The weather wasn't very cooperating this weekend also so I ended up with some indoor testing. Cat shots were wide open and the lens is sharp in the center wide open, not like the Canon g7x that I had for a week which has to be stopped down for close shots and backfocused with smaller subjects etc. I haven't done much landscape shots but corners looks soft wide open with LX100. There is lots of buttons, eg when I was opening the camera, I hit a few time IA which resets everything to auto. Now I changed that to push and wait option. It is a useless button for me, filter one is another one. Aperture and zoom is too close eg you can change one when you are changing the other and I wish they should have been in the reverse order. Af is fast and the pin af comes with the zoomed window (full or pip) which is very useful for macro's. AF slows down a little with macro selection. Also the af box cannot go smaller like the m43. The zoom is step zoom when aperture was selected and then a mf zoom when half shutter button is selected. It is very useful again for close shots eg dof is very thin. I haven't used the evf much and lcd looks good. Macro is 3" at wide end and nearly I touch the flowers with that so it is not good for moving subjects. Canon G7X was similar. At 75mm it is 1 feet /30 cm which is sometimes too long for macros eg gives missed focused warning...

    My only gripe at this moment is the auto iso is limited to ISO 1600 and it doesn't push above that until it drops 1/10sec which is too low esp at 75mm. No reviews mentions this except a post in dpreview. I tried the intelligent iso last night and it picked up from 1/6 to 1/60 sec shots w/ shooting the same subject, eg no movement. I tried this morning eg first shots have always higher shutter, then lowers it since there is no movement. I have to try with moving subjects, but I agree with a post that says it has its own mind. Only remedy for now is using the manual mode and pick the shutter, then auto iso picks the right iso... That was my problem with Sony RX100 which has 1/30sec min shutter and Canon G7X is the only one that has an option to choose slower/faster min shutter. I think mostly m43/nex/A7's use 1/60-1/80 sec shutter speed with kit lenses, even with the m43 primes...

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  18. tosvus

    tosvus Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jan 4, 2014
    Serhan, thanks for great pictures and observations!!

    Personally, I always wanted a minimum auto shutter as an alternative to max iso auto. I may be ok with a variable shutter speed, but it would be nice to set a limit, and rather have an open Iso w/no limits. (I would in most cases (for pictures) prefer this over regular shutter priority w/auto iso.
     
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  19. JYPfoto

    JYPfoto Mu-43 Veteran

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    Aug 27, 2013
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    I said that I have two coming in the same day, I never said that I was going to use both and return one. I originally preordered from B&H a few weeks ago and forgot about it. I received a shipping notification before it was too late to cancel. I found another LX100, this time for $829. I don't know about you, but $70 is a decent amount of change to be saving, especially since I just dropped $950 on a 34" 21:9 monitor for my new Mac Pro.

    Both packages are scheduled to be received today and I have no intention of opening the box to the B&H package. I have aready spoken to B&H about it and they've instructed me to refuse delivery. If the package does get delivered I will simply walk outside, walk the 250 yards or so and drop the package off at the UPS store. Do I like having to do this? No. Should I feel guilty and feel a sense of remorse to B&H about them spending a few bucks on shipping? A little, but having spent around $8,000 at them this year (3-4 camera, entire NAS system, etc), I think I might be due one faux pas from them. But thanks for the morale policing though.
     
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  20. teddoman

    teddoman Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 22, 2013
    nyc
    The crop factor for the LX100 I've seen bandied about is 2.2x.