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Sony announced the world’s first 20 Megapixel Four Thirds format Global Shutter sensor

Discussion in 'Micro 4/3 News and Rumors' started by panamike, Sep 9, 2018.

  1. panamike

    panamike Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jul 5, 2016
    Lincolnshire UK
    looks like its monochrome for us

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  2. WT21

    WT21 Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Feb 19, 2010
    Interesting, but for me I care more about DR than global shutter. I hope it doesn’t impact DR at all
  3. Giiba

    Giiba Something to someone somewhere Subscribing Member

    Aug 19, 2016
    New Westminster, BC
    Too bad it is monochrome...
  4. dirtdevil

    dirtdevil Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Apr 9, 2017
    I'd love a real monochrome camera.

    ps : thinking about it, I can see myself having the future Panasonic FF camera and a mft monochrome as my 2nd camera during projects. Personally I always end up post processing around 20% of my pictures to black and white anyways. So might as well have the real thing.
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  5. Jay_M

    Jay_M Mu-43 Veteran Subscribing Member

    Jul 30, 2018
    I think it's a bit interesting that the "APS-C" version is 4:3 ratio
  6. John M Flores

    John M Flores Super Moderator

    Jan 7, 2011
    Wait, what? I thought M43 was dead again.
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  7. Sniksekk

    Sniksekk Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Apr 7, 2015
    No you are wrong.
    It was dead last week, this week it’s alive.
    But wait for next week.
    Dead. Totally dead.
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  8. Drdave944

    Drdave944 Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Feb 2, 2012
    Global shutter. OK ,what is that supposed to mean?
  9. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Legend

    Mar 21, 2014
    It won't be monochrome.

    Just the same way that the IMX299CJK sensor in the GH5s is "based on" but is not exactly the same as IMX294CJK Starvis sensor that Sony offers on their website, it's quite obvious that if this sensor were to be used by Olympus it would be tweaked to their satisfaction.

    Changing from monochrome to RGB is a trivial matter of applying a different Colour Filter Array. This is how Fuji differentiates their cameras from Sony, despite using identical underlying sensors beneath the X-Trans CFA.

    The more problematic aspect is that Global Shutter cameras tend to have very low dynamic range. I'm not sure Sony has managed to do anything to solve this.

    Given the 43 fps frame-rate capabilities, its conceivable that Olympus might use smartphone-esque image processing to do in-camera RAW HDR, by processing and combining different exposures taken milliseconds apart, especially if it is free from rolling shutter artifacts. But that would be a big departure from anything they've ever done before. But not unprecedented - DxO does it with the "Super RAW" on their DxO ONE, released back in 2015.
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  10. Machi

    Machi Mu-43 Top Veteran

    May 23, 2015
    It has wrong size because of 1:1 aspect ratio so I doubt that we will see it in new OMD camera.
    But technology can be surely used for new OMD.
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  11. PakkyT

    PakkyT Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 20, 2015
    New England
    I think that would be more correctly stated that all pixels are read simultaneously. With rolling shutter issues the sensor is exposed (all pixels exposed), but while reading one line of pixels at a time, as the subject moves lower pixels can change before the read happens on those lines. With a simultaneous read, you grab all the pixels at once, so no subject movement is recorded.
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  12. masayoshi

    masayoshi Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

    Dec 5, 2016
    Salt Lake City
    How AF would work with global shutter?
  13. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Legend

    Mar 21, 2014
    I don't see it being any different?

    Global shutter is just an electronic way to produce a result that is functionally similar to a mechanical shutter. The electronic rolling shutters that we use now tend to produce motion artifacts due to the limitation of their readout speed.

    But autofocus works the same way, regardless of whether you are using the mechanical shutter or the electronic shutter.
  14. masayoshi

    masayoshi Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

    Dec 5, 2016
    Salt Lake City
    For CDAF, probably faster or same at least, I agree. But my question was, are they making OSPDAF sensors with global shutter mechanism?
    Just curious, since this is probably first generation release and not much information is available (yet).
  15. SLOtographer

    SLOtographer Mu-43 Regular Subscribing Member

    Sep 1, 2013
    Global shutter is something that has been talked about a long time. I assume no shutter mechanism is needed, and then there are things like fast flash sync that starts to open up as possibilities as well as perhaps handheld hires mode, eliminating rolling shutter.
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  16. wimg

    wimg Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Dec 10, 2016
    BTW, it is a square sensor, very sensitive to angle of incidence, it requires a very large flange distance ....
    In short, not an MFT sensor.

    Sorry ....

    Kind regards, Wim
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  17. Ossiva

    Ossiva Mu-43 Veteran

    Dec 31, 2017
    Now hand-held high res would be very interesting.
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  18. pake

    pake Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Oct 14, 2010
    It's definitely coming. The real question is "when"... Simon (a trusted insider in 43rumours.com) has already implied that the new HiRes is "something else". Here's his latest comment:

    Oh yes, so am I. I just hope that sensor gets into E-M5III as well... :flypig:
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