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Sony A5000 or other PnS or something else ?

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by abhisheks77, Nov 17, 2014.

  1. abhisheks77

    abhisheks77 Mu-43 Regular

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    Jul 26, 2013
    Hi,

    My friend wants to buy a camera for casual photography. He is just a hobbyist and not much of experimental person. While searching on deals for Black Friday, I saw on costco site, Sony A5000 with 16mm-50mm and 55mm-210mm Lens, 16GB SD Card and Camera Bag will cost 450$ (+tax). He wanted to buy point and shoot camera for its compactness and easy carrying. But this costco deal seems to be a nice one. I know, there will be very less chances where he will switch from 16mm-50mm to 55mm-210mm.

    I am facing hard time suggesting him this camera for this price or some other smaller camera in similar price range, which can give good IQ and if possible, better pictures in less light (because he will be clicking mostly for his family indoor).

    Any recommendations ?

    Regards
     
  2. jo45800

    jo45800 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Aug 23, 2013
    Montreal
    I think if he wants something very compact and gives good IQ, Canon makes the S line of powershoot (s95, s100, s110 etc...) they give amazing results for the size of these camera. It really depend on what he wants to do. A sony A5000 with some lenses will be somewhat Big, and maybe he wants something that he can carry on him all the time. "the best camera is the one that's with you"
     
  3. abhisheks77

    abhisheks77 Mu-43 Regular

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    Jul 26, 2013
    I understand that PnS and ILC are two different class. Should A5000 DEFINITELY give distinguishable IQ over PnS ?
     
  4. jo45800

    jo45800 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Aug 23, 2013
    Montreal
    Yes it gives more dynamic range and more iso, but if he don't need to shoot in low light situation, and he is planning to use Jpeg only, I'am not sure between if there is that much gap. ILC will give very good IQ depending on the glass you put it on. And the lenses kit are often poor in quality...
     
  5. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    The Sony 16-50 in particular is actually one of the worst name-brand lenses made in a long time.

    That said, the A5000 is a nice enough camera, the 55-210mm is decent, and that's a really good price. And even given how bad the 16-50 is, it's "good enough" for most situations, and will still look definitively better than a smartphone or small-sensor point-and-shoot. The lack of a touchscreen is a disappointment, though. That's a feature that I feel is very important on all cameras, from the low-end to the high-end, and I don't want to buy a camera without one at this point.
     
  6. robbie36

    robbie36 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 25, 2010
    Bangkok
    rob collins
    The A5000 should have better IQ because it has a larger sensor than a p&s. However this is largely negated if you only use the 2 kit zooms that are pretty slow. I am not sure there will be a lot of difference between an a5000 with kit zooms and a high quality p+s which pairs a smaller sensor with a faster lens such as the RX100. Last years version of the RX100 is going for US$450 on Amazon.
     
  7. abhisheks77

    abhisheks77 Mu-43 Regular

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  8. robbie36

    robbie36 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 25, 2010
    Bangkok
    rob collins
    Yes that was what I was looking at, simply because it was the first thing to come up on google.

    Personally I feel if you are looking for a big sensor in a small package the RX100 is hard to beat. Throw in the fact that older models are heavily discounted because there are newer shinier models and I think at around US$450 it is a decent bargain.
     
  9. teddoman

    teddoman Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 22, 2013
    nyc
    For family stuff, I would suggest buying a more expensive current generation camera. The current generation of cameras is a leap forward in continuous tracking AF combined with face detection in video and stills. Sony has on sensor PDAF, Canon has something similar, Panasonic has DFD. Not sure if tracking AF in Fuji and Oly has a unique technology name. This level of automated AF tracking was not available a few years ago when I had my first kid.

    Because of this "leap forward" in AF technology, there's a bigger gap in AF between the new and the older bodies than previous generation changes. So if your specific purpose is to follow fast moving kids around, it may be worth it to buy a current gen camera and perhaps a fast prime for indoors. Unfortunately, that means a higher budget, if that's an option. But I would prioritize good AF + prime lens over getting a 2nd zoom lens that won't be used much.
     
  10. abhisheks77

    abhisheks77 Mu-43 Regular

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    Jul 26, 2013
    Thanks Ted. But he just wanted a good camera and always in Auto mode :) . As far as I remember he used his old PnS only 4-5 times last year, at few celebrations and occasions.
    I heard lot of good things about RX100 last year. After that many good compact cameras were released, but with high price tag. Is AF and low light situations are that bad in RX100 ? Do you see any other camera in similar price range ?
     
  11. phigmov

    phigmov Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Apr 4, 2010
    For the casual shooter I'd be tempted to recommend a smart-phone upgrade with a decent camera.

    Alternatively, a pocketable enthusiast P&S like an RX100, Canon S120 or Panasonic LX7.
     
  12. robbie36

    robbie36 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 25, 2010
    Bangkok
    rob collins
  13. teddoman

    teddoman Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 22, 2013
    nyc
    You pay a premium for compactness. For low light and possibly some AF-C in stills, also check out consumer grade DSLR + cheap prime. Older gen entry or mid level APS-C DSLRs, like Nikon 3000 or 3100 or 5000 or 5100 must be dirt cheap by now.
     
  14. abhisheks77

    abhisheks77 Mu-43 Regular

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    Jul 26, 2013
  15. GBarrington

    GBarrington Mu-43 Veteran

    Is your friend actually going to use that much camera? Isn't he likely just to set it to full auto and forget it? If he isn't a camera person, is he likely to notice the improvement in image quality that the A5000 represents? Will he EVER take the time to really learn the camera?

    I'm thinking you might be pushing him into a camera he won't like and that will ultimately sit on a shelf somewhere. Maybe Something like the Olympus Tough TG-3 would be more appropriate.

    Below is the Adorama catalog link: http://www.adorama.com/IOMTG3BK.htm...=38589028051&gclid=COrzp8vphMICFYIDaQodCqEAjQ