So close I can touch the moon: 500mm+

Discussion in 'Adapted Lenses' started by STR, Nov 1, 2013.

  1. STR

    STR Mu-43 Veteran

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    May 16, 2013
    Well...not the moon specifically, mainly I want some long, long reach for a low-ish price. I wouldn't carry this around that much (because it's unlikely to fit in my bag), but more as something to pull out a few times a year to play around with.

    Specifically looking for:
    • 500mm focal length or longer.
    • Three figure price, tops.
    • Must resolve better than simply cropping 100-300mm.
    • As small as possible. No, I'm not being impossible. If there's a good reflector lens out there, I'd prefer it over a comparable refactor that's the size of a bat. Mmmm...doughnuts...
    • Prime, zoom doesn't matter.
    • Aperture really doesn't matter, because all these things are f/8-11 and that's dark enough to require a tripod all the time.

    So, lens experts, tell me what's out there.
     
  2. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    two choices:

    Oly OM 300mm f4.5 Prime Adapted. $200 tops.

    Oly 50-200 f2.8-3.5 zoom with MMF adapter - $500 for the lens and $100 for the adapter.

    Neither are that big.
     
  3. orfeo

    orfeo Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sep 27, 2013
    FR
    Tokina 300mm/2.8 ATX SD manual focus. Sharp, I got it for 300€. Bought kenko pro 300 1.4x and 2x converter too. All for less than 500€. The lens is heavy while being one of the lightest 300mm/2.8
    On your MFT camera, it's a 600mm/2.8 * 840mm/4 * 1200mm/5.6 lens that you can actually use for wildlife. Way better than doughnuts ^^.
    PS: In case you like doughnuts, tokina has a 300mm/6.3 in native MFT mount.
     
  4. Serhan

    Serhan Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    May 7, 2011
    NYC
  5. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    These are hard to find and be aware they are dust pumps. I looked at a couple of these and decided they were too dusty.
     
  6. dougjgreen

    dougjgreen Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 5, 2013
    San Diego
    Doug Green
    Pretty sure the OP is asking for an actual 500mm or longer lens, not an effective one on M43.

    My suggestion is to get one of the better 300mm lenses that has a tripod mount (because in use, you'll NEED a good tripod), and one of the better 7 element 2X converters. There are lots of choices in doing this. Anything longer than 300-400mm as a base length before adding the 2X converter is going to either be junk, or MAJOR bucks. There's a good legacy Pentax 500mm f4.5 lens that can occasionally be found for $350-500, but in my experience, it needs to be stopped down to at least f6.3 or even better, f8 to really be sharp, and it goes to crap when you put a 2x converter on it. I had one that I sold when I determined that the various Nikkor 300mm ED lenses with 2X converters were better, and since the Pentax lens couldn't really hold up with a converter on it, I had no use for it that couldn't be matched or exceeded with a Nikkor 300mm ED lens and a 7 element Kiron 2x converter.

    For example: One of these:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-Nikko...31312147?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item5d359b0c13

    along with:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kiron-MC7-2...454?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a31be1dae


    Or alternatively:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mint-CANON-...08993227?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item33870b3ecb

    along with:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kiron-MC7-2...37482404?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item25848adaa4


    Here's the Pentax 500mm f4.5 I referred to above - It's massive, and my take based on personal experience is that the pair of 300mm + 2X converter solutions are better, cheaper, and FAR smaller and lighter - but they are also effectively about 1 stop slower in terms of useable apertures.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMC-Pentax-...00181482?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item338684c9ea
     
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  7. Just Jim

    Just Jim Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 20, 2011
    The canon FD 500mm f8 fixed Cat lens. It has the fluorite element, and modern coatings. Less flaring, no chromatic issues software can't resolve. GREAT focus ring. Light weight, small, and works well with the FD 1.4x. slap it on a ball head, no need for a gimble as it's so light.

    Helpful hint, get a better beamer and a ttl flash and you can shoot birds with no donuts.
     
  8. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    You could be right. It is going to hard to do good quality for three figures.

    You could do the 50-200 with the 2x TC, but you are at f7.1, only 400 and pretty close to 4 figures.

    I haven't tried the OM 300 with a TC. But a lot of the older TCs were not great.

    You might be able to get a Canon 500 FD f4.5 for 3 figures, but you would have to get lucky. And you would need an adapter (these are more likely $1500).

    And you will need a strong tripod as well, for sure.
     
  9. dougjgreen

    dougjgreen Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 5, 2013
    San Diego
    Doug Green
    Actually, the 50-200 with it's 2X converter can be done for around $700-800 in the used market, and that's the best modern AF solution out there for M43, but it's only 400mm as you said, and the AF will suck on anything other than an E-M1. Effective-aperture wise, usable f7 is actually about as good as one gets. The legacy 300mm + 2X solutions I mentioned are basically useable at f11, or best case, f9.5. But again, they are 600mm solutions, not 400mm solutions.
     
  10. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    Yes with careful shopping you can get the 50-200+2.0TC for $800. But the 2.0 TCs seem to be increasingly hard to get.

    And yes this is an MF lens for anything other than the E-M1.
     
  11. verbatimium

    verbatimium Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jul 17, 2013
    Toronto, Ontario
    Martin
    Konica Hexanon AR 300mm F4.5 + Konica Hexanon Teleconverter AR 2X (1200mm equiv). Payed around 100$ for the set and this is the image that I got out of it. There was alot of light around me so the conditions were definitely not the greatest, but still not a bad result. I'm sure I could get it a bit better:

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    Harvest Moon Sept. 18 2013 by MartinK's Photography, on Flickr


    I also posted some test shots with this lens HERE
     

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  12. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    I think the 300 Hexanons are a bit pricier than that now. Too many cameras that can use Adapted lenses.
     
  13. verbatimium

    verbatimium Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jul 17, 2013
    Toronto, Ontario
    Martin

    Past 4 300 Hexanons that sold on Ebay sold from 75-120$. Authentic Hexanon 2X teleconverters are selling for 15$.
     
  14. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    Yes that is true and the only one listed is $300.
     
  15. dougjgreen

    dougjgreen Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 5, 2013
    San Diego
    Doug Green
    Yes, but that seller also makes the bogus claim that no other examples of these lenses has come up on ebay in the past year, despite the fact that two of them sold during October, for prices under $120. The fact is, with these lenses, it pays to shop carefully. The 300mm ED Nikkor I linked was the only one currently listed with a starting price under $300, but these lenses come up relatively frequently, and they tend to sell for $225 to $300. The reason I linked both a Nikkor ED lens and a Canon 300mm L lens is that those are the best in class, with exotic glass in one or more elements. The other brands, and Nikon and Canon's lesser 300mm lenses without the exotic class, can generally easily be found for $200 or so or even less. And they're all about equally pretty good. But the ones with the ED glass are better, and if the OP plans to use it seriously, he should pay a $100-200 premium for the ones with ED glass. Of course, if someone gets a deal like a 300mm Hexanon for under $100, and an authentic branded 2X TC for less than $25 - they should jump on that deal - knowing that if they are any way dissatisfied, they can sell it for at least what they paid for it.
     
  16. dougjgreen

    dougjgreen Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 5, 2013
    San Diego
    Doug Green
    Except that's a mediocre lens, and not a great price for it. If the OP goes for a mirror lens, they are much better off with either the aforementioned Canon, or a similar 500mm f8 from Minolta or Nikon, each of which can typically be gotten for around $200-250 used.

    If the OP wants a cheap 3rd party Mirror lens, these are cheaper, and at least as good as that Vivitar:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spiratone-5...03894420?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item20da728f94

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tokina-RMC-...47478789?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item2c755b4d05

    If I was looking for a cheap 500mm Mirror lens (I already have one, a Tokina) I'd get that Spiratone, for under $45 because it has a tripod mount.
     
  17. RnR

    RnR Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 25, 2011
    Brisbane, Australia
    Hasse
    Nikon 300mm f4.5 ED-IF is very nice at f8. Just get one with its tripod mount still attached. FWIW, I tried the TC-301 on it - didn't work too well. I think it was my long lens technique that sucked badly. The combo is very long and prone to vibration.
     
  18. RDM

    RDM Mu-43 All-Pro

    nit quite 500mm, but taken with an old 350mm lens and cropped
    Full_Moon-October 19, 2013.
     
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