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Simplicity - one of the reasons I prefer my older m43 cameras

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by pellicle, Sep 13, 2018.

  1. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    Killarney, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    I just read this and it is a bit of how I feel after playing with any of the latest model cameras

    Professor Blackler and her colleagues studied how 170 people used manuals for a range of complicated products, from dishwashers to universal remote controls.

    They found most people chose not to read the manuals and instead learned by using the product.

    Their study showed that people chose to buy a complicated product with many features even if they did not need all of them.
     
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  2. Stanga

    Stanga Mu-43 Top Veteran

    864
    Oct 16, 2016
    I am the technical person in the house, but only my wife knows how to program our Miele dishwasher and washing machine. Their instruction manuals are hard for me to follow.
     
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  3. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    Killarney, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    this supports the assertion of the professor:
    "The results also showed those with more education were less likely to read manuals. "They may be more able to use their knowledge and strategies to select only essential features they need," Professor Blackler said."
     
  4. Errrrrrrm Duh! :rolleyes-38: They chose because it's likely that they have no choice. :confused-53: How many "uncomplicated" versions of products are actually on the market? I only use AV and manual but I have no choice when it comes to buying an "uncomplicated" camera as they simply don't exist and I am forced to buy the many complications that I will never use. Likewise, those food mixers..........my son wanted certain features but to get those features he could only buy one with 6 extra features that he'll never use................Likely those boffin researchers would conclude that he chose (preferred) to buy a more complicated one, when in reality, he had no choice when it came to buying the actual features that he wanted.
     
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  5. gnarlydog australia

    gnarlydog australia Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Feb 23, 2015
    Brisbane, Australia
    Damiano Visocnik
    Engineers here at work have an acronym for when things can't be figured out: R.T.F.M. (Read The F*ing Manual).
    But it's mostly "I will give it go" after unboxing
     
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  6. Gillymaru

    Gillymaru Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

    “Simple can be harder than complex: You have to work hard to get your thinking clean to make it simple. But it’s worth it in the end because once you get there, you can move mountains.”

    Steve Jobs
     
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  7. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    Killarney, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    my personal favorite camera I've ever owned



    Hard to get simpler
     
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  8. Bushboy

    Bushboy Mu-43 Top Veteran

    598
    Apr 22, 2018
    Aotearoa
    Charlie
    I had one too!
    My first ever camera, easily my fav of all time.
    5 led’s! The tech of the day... :) 
     
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  9. Instamatic was simple.
     
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  10. StephenB

    StephenB Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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    Aug 29, 2018
    Somerset UK
    Steve
    I've just leased a car, because my wife will only drive an auto box and the auto box is only fitted to the high end models of the range, we now have a load of features that we don't need. I guess it's the same as everything, I only use a handful of features in Photoshop and Affinity Photo.
     
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  11. Andrewmap

    Andrewmap Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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    Jun 5, 2018
    Derby, United Kingdom
    Martin
    YES! the second SLR I owned (Praktica MTL5 was the first, heavy as a lead brick). A brilliant piece of kit, so much so, I bought one last year: still to put a film through it though.:th_salute:
     
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  12. Ross the fiddler

    Ross the fiddler Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Some people just go by the saying, "When all else fails, read the manual!" :rolleyes: 
     
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  13. Andrewmap

    Andrewmap Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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    Jun 5, 2018
    Derby, United Kingdom
    Martin
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  14. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Legend

    Mar 21, 2014
    I never, ever read the instruction manual as a first step. Rarely does it leave its package, honestly.

    But I research the equipment that I buy extensively, learn what features it has that I want, and then actively seek out those features in the product once I begin to use it. If it's not immediately obvious how it works after some testing, then I will grudgingly download the PDF manual and Ctrl+F my way to the specific feature that I need help with.

    For me, this is vastly more productive than reading a manual cover to cover like it's a novel.

    I'm perhaps too young to be so set in my ways, but I confess that I've preferentially used the Microsoft operating systems for my entire life, I've used Android for my phones for the last 6-7 years, and I've used Panasonic M4/3 cameras for the last 5 years. I like the way all of those systems operate, they are intuitive to me (or, at least, I understand the depths of their counter-intuitiveness) and the competitive benefits that I might gain from switching never seem to outweigh the downsides.
     
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  15. Mikehit

    Mikehit Mu-43 Veteran

    321
    Jan 26, 2018
    I think it is quite different - you have your first children and need a new washing machine to handle the larger loads. You cannot buy a washing machine that is simply bigger - it comes with loads of next-to-useless functions and is more complex but it does what you want quite intuitively. Same with photocopiers: you want something that is just simply faster. Nope - that faster machine comes with two sided copying and host of other things.
    etc
    etc
     
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  16. Lcrunyon

    Lcrunyon Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Jun 4, 2014
    Maryland
    Loren
    It’s hard to balance simplicity with functionality, especially for a format like m4/3 that relies on its feature set to make up for the smaller sensor.

    Olympus tried to satisfy this philosophy with the E-M10 MkIII. Small and convenient package, get rid of some very specialized functions no one would ever use on the camera, put all the advanced functions on their own mode with more of a walk-through type menu, while still improving the overall image quality and specs of the camera... In usual fashion, people hated it.

    As for manuals, I always read them. They almost always could be better, no doubt, but I still find them very useful.
     
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  17. tkbslc

    tkbslc Super Moderator

    I don't buy the premise of the thread. Newer cameras have more features, but the basics are the same. It's not like they hid the exposure controls just because they added 4K burst mode. If you don't want the new features, they will sit there unused, buried in their respective menus and the camera operates like an old one.
     
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  18. D7k1

    D7k1 Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Nov 18, 2013
    I always read the manuals, especially when I was keeping scorpions and spiders (with some the consequences of NOT reading the manual could have been "the death of me":) )
     
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  19. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    One reason why I'm being drawn more and more to fixed prime lens compacts, such that there are (I guess Ricoh/Fuji/Sony/Leica are the only manufacturers, unless we count the defunct Nikon Coolpix A and the niche Sigmas). The Ricoh GR really evidences that simplicity that you're talking about in the best way. I'd really like to see Panasonic/Olympus put out something similar at some point.

    Which M4/3 models are you specifically referring to? I seem to remember my GX1 being a little more complicated than I expected - and certainly my GF3 was not an ideal camera in any way, despite being very simple. Actually I feel the GM cameras were a very nice level of simplicity but quite capable, except for that hamstrung shutter...
     
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