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The Electric Squirrel

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Trying out some papers; Hahnemühle Photo Rag Ultra Smooth and Canson Baryta Photographique II. Just a quick snapshot taken with a potato:

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I'm havin a really hard time deciding which paper I like more. The baryta gives lively colors with good shadow detail. The photo rag on the other hand gives an amazing feeling of depth to images, since it has absolutely zero glare.

And then a little warning to anyone who's interested in owning a printer: Not even once, people! It's like cocaine, expensive and very addictive. Yeah, at first I just tried a few prints from a local shop. Then I bought a printer. Then papers... Now I'm printing almost every night!
 
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I'm having a bit of a conundrum:
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I made these prints as print proof for a family member and while waiting for her (the beautiful lady in the picture) to come to pick them up I left them on top of a display cabinet and the edges of the smaller pictures on top of the bigger pictures turns magenta and brightened up significantly, on both A3 and A4 paper. I have never seen this happened before and I was wondering if it was because of the excessive heat that the South West UK is experiencing right now (it's been over 29 C indoors for the last 3 days).
But I am starting to notice that some of my older (made last winter) pictures are slowly turning to a magenta/pink tint. Initially, I thought it might have been the cheap A4 glossy paper I bought but now I am seeing even my A3 matte paper from Canon and the pictures above are from 2 different makers both glossy type. Could it be the 3rd party ink cartridges I am using on my Epson XP-970?

This is becoming frustrating because I am in the process of trying to figure out pricing and a system to offer (mostly) local printing and other services to try and make some money on the side. And I need and want to put a value on reliability and quality, I want no disappointed client.

Another strange thing my printer seems to do only with one size of paper:
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No matter which software I use to spring 6x4 inch paper I get a pretty large white border (even though I have selected the borderless option) and I get black smudges on the bottom part of the picture. All other paper sizes have no issue with this. I have tried all the Maintainance options in the printer system and nothing is working and I do not know how to overcome this issue. (Though I have tried only one type of 6x4 paper because a friend and camera club member has given me his large quantity of unused Kodak High Gloss paper).
 

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I'm having a bit of a conundrum:
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I made these prints as print proof for a family member and while waiting for her (the beautiful lady in the picture) to come to pick them up I left them on top of a display cabinet and the edges of the smaller pictures on top of the bigger pictures turns magenta and brightened up significantly, on both A3 and A4 paper. I have never seen this happened before and I was wondering if it was because of the excessive heat that the South West UK is experiencing right now (it's been over 29 C indoors for the last 3 days).
But I am starting to notice that some of my older (made last winter) pictures are slowly turning to a magenta/pink tint. Initially, I thought it might have been the cheap A4 glossy paper I bought but now I am seeing even my A3 matte paper from Canon and the pictures above are from 2 different makers both glossy type. Could it be the 3rd party ink cartridges I am using on my Epson XP-970?

This is becoming frustrating because I am in the process of trying to figure out pricing and a system to offer (mostly) local printing and other services to try and make some money on the side. And I need and want to put a value on reliability and quality, I want no disappointed client.

Another strange thing my printer seems to do only with one size of paper:
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No matter which software I use to spring 6x4 inch paper I get a pretty large white border (even though I have selected the borderless option) and I get black smudges on the bottom part of the picture. All other paper sizes have no issue with this. I have tried all the Maintainance options in the printer system and nothing is working and I do not know how to overcome this issue. (Though I have tried only one type of 6x4 paper because a friend and camera club member has given me his large quantity of unused Kodak High Gloss paper).
The blank strip on the 6x4" is because 6x4" is not 4:3 aspect ratio.

The colour change is possibly due to third party ink. Choose a reputable supplier, and stick to them! Either that, or (gulp) use OEM inks.

I am not seeing any colour change after nearly 12 months in a bare print that's exposed to very bright sunlight, but not direct sun. Print made with XP-970.
 

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The blank strip on the 6x4" is because 6x4" is not 4:3 aspect ratio.

The colour change is possibly due to third party ink. Choose a reputable supplier, and stick to them! Either that, or (gulp) use OEM inks.

I am not seeing any colour change after nearly 12 months in a bare print that's exposed to very bright sunlight, but not direct sun. Print made with XP-970.
Would laminating the pictures protect them from discoloration or tint shifting?
I am not sure which is a "reputable" supplier for XP-970 ... if I have to use OEM (which is 46 £ for a color set and 96 £ for XL colour) it's going to be quite an expensive print, especially for "practicing".

Should I go with OEM paper? Or do you peeps have any recommendations? I'm looking for Glossy and Matte paper and sizes for A3, A4, and 6x4 or 5x7.
 

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I'm having a bit of a conundrum:
View attachment 899690
I made these prints as print proof for a family member and while waiting for her (the beautiful lady in the picture) to come to pick them up I left them on top of a display cabinet and the edges of the smaller pictures on top of the bigger pictures turns magenta and brightened up significantly, on both A3 and A4 paper. I have never seen this happened before and I was wondering if it was because of the excessive heat that the South West UK is experiencing right now (it's been over 29 C indoors for the last 3 days).
But I am starting to notice that some of my older (made last winter) pictures are slowly turning to a magenta/pink tint. Initially, I thought it might have been the cheap A4 glossy paper I bought but now I am seeing even my A3 matte paper from Canon and the pictures above are from 2 different makers both glossy type. Could it be the 3rd party ink cartridges I am using on my Epson XP-970?

This is becoming frustrating because I am in the process of trying to figure out pricing and a system to offer (mostly) local printing and other services to try and make some money on the side. And I need and want to put a value on reliability and quality, I want no disappointed client.

Another strange thing my printer seems to do only with one size of paper:
View attachment 899691
No matter which software I use to spring 6x4 inch paper I get a pretty large white border (even though I have selected the borderless option) and I get black smudges on the bottom part of the picture. All other paper sizes have no issue with this. I have tried all the Maintainance options in the printer system and nothing is working and I do not know how to overcome this issue. (Though I have tried only one type of 6x4 paper because a friend and camera club member has given me his large quantity of unused Kodak High Gloss paper).

As others have said 3rd party inks can be a problem. A printer's longevity figures are based on using OEM ink and paper.

Have you considered getting prints done using an online service. It might work out a lot cheaper than trying to do it yourself?
 

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As others have said 3rd party inks can be a problem. A printer's longevity figures are based on using OEM ink and paper.

Have you considered getting prints done using an online service. It might work out a lot cheaper than trying to do it yourself?
In the end, I will probably have to consider it, though I do live in a pretty small town and we have only one place that does printing with serious equipment, anything else I would have to deal/go to Taunton (and possibly add postage cost to the total sum).
 
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I'm having a bit of a conundrum:
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I made these prints as print proof for a family member and while waiting for her (the beautiful lady in the picture) to come to pick them up I left them on top of a display cabinet and the edges of the smaller pictures on top of the bigger pictures turns magenta and brightened up significantly, on both A3 and A4 paper. I have never seen this happened before and I was wondering if it was because of the excessive heat that the South West UK is experiencing right now (it's been over 29 C indoors for the last 3 days).
But I am starting to notice that some of my older (made last winter) pictures are slowly turning to a magenta/pink tint. Initially, I thought it might have been the cheap A4 glossy paper I bought but now I am seeing even my A3 matte paper from Canon and the pictures above are from 2 different makers both glossy type. Could it be the 3rd party ink cartridges I am using on my Epson XP-970?

This is becoming frustrating because I am in the process of trying to figure out pricing and a system to offer (mostly) local printing and other services to try and make some money on the side. And I need and want to put a value on reliability and quality, I want no disappointed client.

Another strange thing my printer seems to do only with one size of paper:
View attachment 899691
No matter which software I use to spring 6x4 inch paper I get a pretty large white border (even though I have selected the borderless option) and I get black smudges on the bottom part of the picture. All other paper sizes have no issue with this. I have tried all the Maintainance options in the printer system and nothing is working and I do not know how to overcome this issue. (Though I have tried only one type of 6x4 paper because a friend and camera club member has given me his large quantity of unused Kodak High Gloss paper).
Your media and ink need to be certified as archival. That will prevent your discoloration problem. I use best in industry rated media from Breathing Color (fine art paper and cotton duck canvas), both are 3rd party tested and certified archival. The certificate shown here explains the testing process.
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Spraying the prints might help protect against a color shift. I use "Hahnemühle Protective Spray" or "Premier Art Coating Eco Print" (in bulk) on mine if for nothing else to keep them from getting scratched or abraded where the paper white shows through. I also sometimes shoot larger sizes with a SATAminijet gun (It's a small spray-gun carryover from custom painting motorcycles.) with the Premier bulk spray loaded in it.

My source: https://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?q=spray

I have found that often the black inks have a greenish cast to them when I was scratch-building inks as with the K7 piezo print stuff. What the printer does is mix the other colors to make it appear black, like adding magenta to the greenish-black through a calibration ritual. It helps to have some printer calibration hardware (x-rite, or Calibrite now.) and save the test prints and read them on day two since the color might shift overnight, and more so with a third party ink. I do use third party inks so I do calibrate, and with metallic papers I prefer a transparent dye ink over pigments on them so my "dye ink" printer is far from the factory norm of pigment ink so it needs to be calibrated - but the output appears 3D as commented by some on metallic or Pictorico White Gloss Film paper.

Have fun!
 
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Spraying the prints might help protect against a color shift. I use "Hahnemühle Protective Spray" or "Premier Art Coating Eco Print" (in bulk) on mine if for nothing else to keep them from getting scratched or abraded where the paper white shows through. I also sometimes shoot larger sizes with a SATAminijet gun (It's a small spray-gun carryover from custom painting motorcycles.) with the Premier bulk spray loaded in it.

My source: https://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?q=spray

I have found that often the black inks have a greenish cast to them when I was scratch-building inks as with the K7 piezo print stuff. What the printer does is mix the other colors to make it appear black, like adding magenta to the greenish-black through a calibration ritual. It helps to have some printer calibration hardware (x-rite, or Calibrite now.) and save the test prints and read them on day two since the color might shift overnight, and more so with a third party ink. I do use third party inks so I do calibrate, and with metallic papers I prefer a transparent dye ink over pigments on them so my "dye ink" printer is far from the factory norm of pigment ink so it needs to be calibrated - but the output appears 3D as commented by some on metallic or Pictorico White Gloss Film paper.

Have fun!
Spraying the prints will only help with fading if the spray filters out the UV spectrum of light. It probably does so there may be some benefit but if the sprayed print receives large amounts of sunlight over a period of time it will still shift/fade, just take longer.
 

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There is a product known as Museum Glass. It is multi coated to block light spectrum that can damage prints. It comes in either a smooth finish or a luster finish. It's not a low cost item, but if you're framing an expensive print, It's worth finding a framing place that can provide it.
 

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There is a product known as Museum Glass. It is multi coated to block light spectrum that can damage prints. It comes in either a smooth finish or a luster finish. It's not a low cost item, but if you're framing an expensive print, It's worth finding a framing place that can provide it.
I use museum glass in my framing. I didn't know they also have a luster surface other than the normal glass (shiny) type. Will check it out next time.. The museum glass from my framer does have a bit of a non-reflective cyanish color to it so I often will print slightly warmer to accept that too. He gave me a scrap piece to put over test prints so I can dial it in.

Also, I use foam core core boards as my print's backing. For any prints that get banged up, like in competitions, I put a thin coating of Elmer's Glue (Clear drying type.) on the corners of the foam and wipe it off with my finger towards the back after a minute or so. It really helps to stiffen up the foam corners so they don't get bent or compressed while handling or dropping.
 

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First big prints made with my recently acquired Pro-200. This image taken with my Potato S20 really doesn't do them any justice:

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Zero justice, to be honest. Oh well, at least it's there for illustration. Printed on A3+ size Canson Baryta Photographique II. I'm quietly starting to like this paper...
 
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First big prints made with my recently acquired Pro-200. This image taken with my Potato S20 really doesn't do them any justice:



Zero justice, to be honest. Oh well, at least it's there for illustration. Printed on A3+ size Canson Baryta Photographique II. I'm quietly starting to like this paper...
Great pictures and beautiful prints.

I got my first batch of Canson Baryta Photographique II, A4 size to try it out. The first results look promising and the paper feels great. I'm now working to improve my color workflow and will get some larger format sheets when done.
 

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Great pictures and beautiful prints.

I got my first batch of Canson Baryta Photographique II, A4 size to try it out. The first results look promising and the paper feels great. I'm now working to improve my color workflow and will get some larger format sheets when done.
Thanks. I was almost happy how they turned out. Some of them I should've made a bit lighter, since they were going on a wall without spot lighting. But otherwise they're nice.

One thing I've found with Canson ICC profiles for the Pixma Pro-200 is that they tend to lean a bit yellow. With some images needing the yellows toned down a bit and given a slight magenta boost. But nothing really huge with the Baryta. It might have been the BFK Rives that gave an unusably yellow look with the manufacturer's profile. But out of the four Canson papers I've tried, that was the only one where this was a real issue.
 

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