Show "Contextual Background Blur"

Discussion in 'Other Genres' started by AgentMichaelScarn, Jun 15, 2016.

  1. AgentMichaelScarn

    AgentMichaelScarn Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2016
    Show us examples of out-of-focus backgrounds that still add context to the photo.

    Perhaps the most complained about subject of M43 (edit: by gearheads) is the DOF equivalence to other systems - even more so than other things like high ISO noise and AF performance. If you compose an interesting background that adds context to the subject in focus, why would you want to obliterate it into a sea of bokeh? Unless of course the background doesn't actually add anything and blobs would be more interesting.

    Add the lens, focal length, and aperture you were at so we can get an idea of the camera settings. I'll start:

    PL15mm @f1.7
    EPM22292_DxO.

    PL15mm @f1.7
    EPM23461_DxO.

    Panasonic 12-32mm @12mm f3.5
    P1060537_DxO.

    PL25mm @f1.4
    _1070782_DxO.

    PL15mm @f2
    EPM22439_DxO.

    PL15mm @f1.7
    EPM23568_DxO.
     
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  2. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jan 3, 2014
    That's kind of a broad untrue statement. As a wildlife/sports photographer mostly shooting telephoto lenses the extra DoF is nice and I even find myself stopping down to get more DoF since the DoF is so shallow in telephoto shots. I also complain more about shitty high ISO ability of m4/3 when I'm trying to capture a bird catching a fish at sunrise when I need at least 1/800 shutter speed to freeze the action. Or having to use every trick I have learned and working my ass off to get action shots that were so easy when I shot Canon.

    Don't get me wrong, I love m4/3 for the size advantage it provides me over other systems. DoF is the last complaint I have about the system for 99% of what I shoot.
     
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  3. AgentMichaelScarn

    AgentMichaelScarn Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2016
    Oh yeah I'm talking more about gearheads who use shallow DOF potential as a measure of a camera's ability.

    Awesome photos on the front page by the way!
     
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  4. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jan 3, 2014
    That you.
     
  5. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    I have to say I am of two mind on this thread. It is great that it shows that m43 can blur the background which is commonly denigrated, but background blur is a tool, and it is directly related to the relationship of the subject and background etc. But, background separation is a tool of the photographer not a hardware problem...
     
  6. AgentMichaelScarn

    AgentMichaelScarn Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2016
    I completely agree which is why I started the thread. I want to see examples where the background contains context and shallower DOF would probably make the photo weaker. There are plenty of examples in portrait lens showcases that illustrate more than enough background separation, but then some backgrounds are just bokeh blobs and are not interesting examples of this tool in use.

    We all have nice cameras so we should just post photos :dance2:
     
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  7. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    After a long day. P12-35f2.8 @12mm f6.3

    P2150001 (1).
     
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  8. AgentMichaelScarn

    AgentMichaelScarn Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2016
    Panasonic 12-32mm @12mm f3.5
    EPM22150_DxO.
     
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  9. barry13

    barry13 Super Moderator; Photon Wrangler

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    Barry
    E5229379.
    @12mm/2.8​
     
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  10. barry13

    barry13 Super Moderator; Photon Wrangler

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    Barry
    E5075126-London Underground retinex HiC -1080px H .
    17mm @f1.8
     
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  11. AgentMichaelScarn

    AgentMichaelScarn Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2016
    12-32mm @12mm f3.5
    P1050189_DxO.
     
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  12. ionian

    ionian Mu-43 Veteran

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    May 20, 2016
    Kent, UK
    Simon
    image. O45 @f3.2
     
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  13. AgentMichaelScarn

    AgentMichaelScarn Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2016
    12-32mm @12mm f3.5
    P1090536_DxO.
     
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  14. AgentMichaelScarn

    AgentMichaelScarn Mu-43 Regular

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    Vivitar 85mm f1.4 @f2
    P1050665_DxO.
     
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  15. T N Args

    T N Args Agent Photocateur

    Dec 3, 2013
    Adelaide, Australia
    call me Arg
    and it is a tool that can be added in PP exactly as desired, but cannot be removed in PP.
     
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  16. AgentMichaelScarn

    AgentMichaelScarn Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2016
    I've actually never considered adding background blur in PP. Can you add bokeh as well? As mentioned, background blur is directly related to the relationship of the subject and background etc. Seems like it would be tedious to apply progressively stronger blur the further you get away from the focus plane, but I've never tried.

    I've only seen it done poorly on Instagram so if you have a good example please share it!
     
  17. barry13

    barry13 Super Moderator; Photon Wrangler

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    Barry
    The type of bokeh should be determined by which type of blur filter is selected.
    I'm not sure if some of the more complex bokeh would be practical, but I haven't used blur filters much.

    Barry
     
  18. wjiang

    wjiang Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    I've never had any luck in adding blur when there wasn't already extremely clear background separation from DoF already. If you already have that separation though, enhancing that separation using software blur is not that bad.
     
  19. AgentMichaelScarn

    AgentMichaelScarn Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2016
    Look at us poor small sensor folk, having to add blur in post! :boohoo: Also software probably wouldn't be able to achieve the Leica© look.
    Anyway I thought there'd be more people posting since it's a pretty broad theme.

    PL25 @f1.4
    P1070905_DxO.
     
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  20. Scotsman

    Scotsman Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Dec 13, 2013
    √Čtats-Unis
    Dave
    Ok, not a recent photo, but here's one:
    image.
     
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