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sell 12-40 for lx100

Discussion in 'This or That? (MFT only)' started by tino84, Jun 15, 2015.

  1. tino84

    tino84 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 29, 2013
    hi,got 12-40 a week ago selling 25mm and other stuff.it's very good but large and heavy to me. Next month will also get oly 75 to use with my gx7.so i m thinking to bring back 12-40 and take lx100. Focal lenght is good to me,it s all i use,light is good to shoot at concerts,and quality of panasonic sensor oughta be the same as gx7. What do you think about?any experience? Thanks
     
  2. gryphon1911

    gryphon1911 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 13, 2014
    Central Ohio, USA
    Andrew
    Some people love the LX100. I'm not one that is fond of the power zooms that Olympus and Panasonic put on their fixed lens compacts.
     
  3. budeny

    budeny Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 4, 2014
    Boulder, CO
    Have you tried Pany 12-35? I've used it with EPL5 and EP5 (both with add-on grips) and it was good to handle.
     
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  4. MoonMind

    MoonMind Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 25, 2014
    Switzerland
    Matt
    I own both the 12-40mm and the LX100, and good though the LX100 might be, it's simply no match for the 12-40mm in terms of IQ and overall usability. It's a great camera to shoot, but in spite of its appearance and handling, it's nothing like as serious and high quality as the 12-40mm.

    My take: I wouldn't sell the 12-40mm for the LX100 since they're not in the same league. But as budeny indicated, the Panasonic 12-35mm might be a viable alternative - it's a little more compact and lighter, and it has O.I.S. that's far better than the GX7's I.B.I.S. I'd probably go for that lens if I had a Panasonic body.

    On the other hand, I don't know if the GX7's grip is enough in order to handle one of the bigger pro zooms comfortably - but at least it's clearly more contoured than the E-M10's with which I use an additional grip when the big zoom is mounted, and the camera itself is a bit bigger (though not heavier), so I think it should be okay.

    M.
     
  5. Hypilein

    Hypilein Mu-43 Veteran

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    Mar 18, 2015
    I wouldn't hesitate to put any of the current native options on a GX7 including the 100-300 and 40-150 PRO. That said, these are very personal questions. If you think the 12-40 is too big, see if you can try out a P12-35 to see if it's any better. Go from there.
     
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  6. davidzvi

    davidzvi Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 12, 2012
    Outside Boston MA
    David
    I've considered getting an LX100 a few times. But, like Andrew, I'm not fond of power zooms. The only one I've found that doesn't really bother me is the Panasonic 45-175. The power zoom was one of the things I really did not enjoy about the RX100 I had.
     
  7. gr6825

    gr6825 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 10, 2012
    Tough call in terms of utility. In terms of value, I think the Lx100 will depreciate MUCH more quickly than the 12-40.
     
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  8. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    I've looked at the LX100 a few times. It had huge pre-release expectations but I sense the real thing hasn't really measured up to the hype. I think if your benchmark is a high-end P&S, or maybe even a Canon G series, then the LX100 will Likely satisfy; but I think compared to latest gen u43 cameras with good quality lenses it'll fall short.
     
  9. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    The EVF of the LX100 is not great - usable but certainly lagging behind the current VF-4 etc. I thought the camera handled well.

    The 12-35 handles a lot lighter than the 12-40 and is also sharper at the long end, so it depends on what you want.
     
  10. spdavies

    spdavies Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Apr 9, 2013
    Hawaii
    Stephen
    Hi,
    Would you mind sharing what grip you found for the E-P5?
    I have the camera and love it, but do find with heavier lenses a grip would be nice.
    Thanks.
    By the way, your avatar is intriguing (and mildly disturbing . . .).
     
  11. budeny

    budeny Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 4, 2014
    Boulder, CO
    You can make one. There are couple ways and none of them are complicated: https://www.mu-43.com/threads/61812/

    Thanks! Found it on one EU radio station.
     
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  12. tino84

    tino84 Mu-43 Veteran

    217
    Dec 29, 2013
    Hi,thanks to all for your answers.
    For me, it' s not a problem to handle the oly with gx7, but it's the space in the bag and to carry around. OK, it is about the same as take a 12, 25 and 45, but it s not what I call small.
    I don't think I will gain so much in portability with 12-35, but I van think about if can found one to change with oly for the same price. Other option would be buy 9-18 and 20 1.7 but will loose light on the short end. The idea was to have something light and pratical to use everyday, small and light, on a lenght I use often, without loosing a fast lens ( otherwise, I would had stayed with my little 12-32).
    I was thinkin lx100 as in the same league of gx7 and fz1000. I think no other compact camera has a good fast zoom and a big sensor as lx100, but if quality is not as our lenses, I would stick with oly.

    PS: I'm also not a pro, but a simple Hobbist, and I think I don't need too many expensive lenses to swap, even if I shoot @ concerts (and searching for good quality)
     
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  13. budeny

    budeny Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 4, 2014
    Boulder, CO
  14. val

    val Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Dec 19, 2013
    Australia
    William
    I'd keep the 12-40mm.

    Purely because I find the LX100 zoom to be too slow.
     
  15. siftu

    siftu Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Mar 26, 2015
    Bay Area, CA
    siftu
    Quite strange that all the exif on the thumbnails on that page except the last section (Wednesday) says they are taken with a GX7. Wonder if he modified the exif. I say that because even the contact sheets say GX7.
     
  16. budeny

    budeny Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 4, 2014
    Boulder, CO
  17. tino84

    tino84 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 29, 2013
    so, there's no easy way out :p

    seems to me that IQ is enough, but ergonomics and operation are to check..
    also, small primes as 12mm or 15mm would be very good (and later adding a 20mm 1.8), but then, maybe worth 12-40?
    too much choices, too much doubts :p :p
     
  18. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    The 20 1.7 is quite slow to focus especially in low light. The 25 will be faster to focus.
     
  19. siftu

    siftu Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Mar 26, 2015
    Bay Area, CA
    siftu
  20. sgreszcz

    sgreszcz Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 7, 2012
    I sold my Olympus cameras (two E-P5) and a couple of lenses (Olympus 12-40/2.8) to fund my LX100 and a GX7. My main reasons were to have a smaller package and better video. I really like the LX-100 and it is the camera that is with me always - especially when on holidays or in a jacket pocket. When I am out at an event where I will be doing more photograpy, I carry my LX-100 and Gx7 with P35-100/2.8 zoom.

    The LX-100 is a fantastic camera, if you prioritise compactness, excellent manual shutter/aperture controls (and in my opinion ergonomics), need/want an EVF (which isn't half bad, actually), a low-light 24-75mm equivalent zoom, decent OIS, and excellent 4k video imaging. There are also some improved Panasonic features like autoISO in manual mode, DFD, and better eye/face detection than my Gx7. It also has a decent semi-macro mode when set to 24mm, and the multi-aspect sensor controls on the lens barrel. I don't mind the power zoom, and it has a neat feature where the zoom will resume at the last focal length, which you can also set to step between fixed lengths: 24, 28, 35, 50, 70, 75. There is also a cool automatic lens cap that is helpful for one-handed shooting.

    The image quality doesn't really compare to the O12-40/2.8 with any current Olympus or Panasonic camera. There is a fair bit of distortion (oval heads!) on the edges of the 24mm focal length. There is more noticeable noise on the LX-100. The LX-100 JPEG are not very good, in my opinion, although the RAW files are really good to work with. I think the camera would have been better with a tilt/touch LCD screen. I find it a pretty good camera overall, but I still prefer output from the GX7 with P25/1.4 or P35-100/2.8 lenses.

    If we factor in video, the LX-100 is an amazing little camera. I plan on using it on a hand-held 3-axis gimbal.

    If I were to buy a u4/3 zoom again, I'd probably get the Panasonic 12-35/2.8 for the smaller size, the OIS, and the 58mm filter size.

    Eric's Six-month-review gives some excellent details into using the Lx100 as a daily camera: http://www.mirrorlessjourney.com/blog/2015/5/six-months-with-the-panasonic-lx100
     
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