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Safe to buy Panasonic 45-175 yet?

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by D@ne, Jun 2, 2012.

  1. D@ne

    D@ne Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2012
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    I know there were issues in the past...doubling at certain shutter speeds. Was wondering if these issues have been corrected?

    I ask because I would be ordering internationally and would not want to deal with returning if at all possible.

    Many thanks! :thumbup:
     
  2. addieleman

    addieleman Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 5, 2010
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    I have the Panny 45-175mm and while I'm happy enough with mine to still have it, I wouldn't order one without a reasonable return option. Some people claim that the current firmware version V1.1 still didn't solve their OIS issues. My sample improved sufficiently to keep it, though I still have the idea that the 45-200's OIS was a bit more effective in the critical shutter speed range between 1/100 and 1/250 s or so.

    Apart from OIS issues there's also the real possibility of getting a sample with substandard image quality. My sample is somewhat unsharp at the right border. Not enough to have it returned, but not perfect either.
     
  3. troll

    troll Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 25, 2012
    I've ordered one from b&h yesterday (also international shipping, returning it would cost something like $50-100, and that's added to ~ the same price already paid for shipping). After reading some users' feedback it seems like both 45-175 and 45-200 are hit-and-miss in terms of QC and image quality is about the same. OIS problems won't be enough to return it in my case cause I'll probably end up getting an om-d camera at some point. But if the lens will be decentered or have some other significant IQ defect, I'll consider returning it or maybe sending it directly to Panasonic.

    I just kinda like this sort of lotteries, though - the excitement of waiting.. if you don't like this feeling of waiting not knowing what will arrive - maybe it's not worth the risk.
     
  4. D@ne

    D@ne Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2012
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    Hmmm...maybe ill wait to see how your copy from B&H goes. I can't really afford to take the gamble.
     
  5. troll

    troll Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 25, 2012
    Mine will get here in a month or so, as it was ordered with free US shipping to a "forwarder" (~ 1 week to arrive) and only then it goes across the ocean with a bunch of other stuff (~3-4 weeks). The current $100 instant rebate in b&h ends on Jun 16, so when I'll receive my 45-175, it'll be back to the original price already. Not sure I'd pay $399 for this lens.

    Most users that are unhappy with this lens complain about OIS, it seems that for some even the latest firmware update doesn't fix the problem completely. On Olympus bodies OIS will be turned off anyway, so if E-PM1 is all you've got then you won't even be able to check the lens' OIS and won't be affected if it's faulty.
     
  6. Gary_Berg

    Gary_Berg Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2012
    Just got a 45-175 from B&H, doing some testing to see if it has the OIS issues. This is a reduced full-size image:

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    Here is a crop of the fence area. Picture was 1/125 at f/14 at ISO 160.

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    Is this just poor technique on my part, diffraction due to f/14, or is it a sign that OIS is acting up? I just checked, this is still lens firmware 1.0, so I will have to update the firmware as my first step.
     
  7. Gary_Berg

    Gary_Berg Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2012
    Another question on the 45-175. It seems like it doesn't mount to the body (G3) smoothly. I'm talking about when you turn the lens in the bayonet. It feels a bit rough.
     
  8. troll

    troll Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 25, 2012
    I think it's OIS. You need to update the firmware and then try it again, this time in a place where you can get a "better" aperture, like F5.6-F7.1, inside or in the evening outside.
    That'll probably pass over time, happens quite often with some native lenses.
     
  9. D@ne

    D@ne Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    edit - oops...missed troll's sound advice.
     
  10. Gary_Berg

    Gary_Berg Mu-43 Regular

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    May 27, 2012
    Troll,

    I hadn't even checked the firmware on the lens until after I had done the shots and cropped out the sample. At the last minute, as I was preparing the post, I thought to check the firmware. I was disappointed to find 1.0, but on the other hand Panasonic probably does batch runs of the lenses so all the first batch has probably not been sold yet. Updating the lenses would be incredibly labor intensive.

    I did get the firmware updated on the lens, and my conclusion is that it is better. Tomorrow I'll get my step up rings and worst case I can mount my ND8 to cut down on light to get the problem shutter speed and better f/stop. I still need to confirm on a stop or so down from wide open that the lens is sharp across the frame.

    It seems after a couple more tries the 45-175 mates up a bit better (more smoothly), but the first and second tries were a bit alarming. The kit 14-42 is much smoother to mount than the 45-175 right now.

    I'd probably gone with the 45-200, but t hat seems to be unavailable right now. I do like the light weight and smaller size of the 45-175. The feel of the power zoom is a bit odd, especially how you can continue to turn past the end of the zoom range. But it is quite smooth.

    Gary
     
  11. Grinch

    Grinch Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Well I've given up on finding a good copy, after looking at nine copies and all being subpar I am done. I was not looking for perfect but expected at least as good as my 45-200 which it would have replaced. I will not buy any X lense as they seems to be way to much variance in quality. I tried to find a 14-42 X lens as well and that was also a futile search. I hope you get a good copy, but I surely would want to try it in person or simply look for something else.
     
  12. D@ne

    D@ne Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2012
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    Mind if I ask what body you were using with it (them)? I still can't find a clear answer if using an oly body with ibis fixes the blur issue?
     
  13. Grinch

    Grinch Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    E-P3 was what I used for all trials. I disabled IBIS, as if I'm paying for the OIS and I may sell down the road I wanted it to work.
     
  14. D@ne

    D@ne Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2012
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    I figured with the body's ibis on, the lens' ois would default to off and the issue would be alleviated...I guess that's not the case?
     
  15. troll

    troll Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 25, 2012
    It seems that when IBIS is on, the lens' OIS switches off, and with IBIS turned off OIS is automatically turned on. Although there are different opinions on this matter, but this one makes the most sense to me. My lens will be here only in a month so can't check this myself yet.
     
  16. ckrueger

    ckrueger Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jul 16, 2011
    Gary, there's no way that's diffraction. Try one of your other lenses at f/22; you'll see a sharper image than that by far!

    For OIS and IBIS, some lenses disable OIS when IBIS is on, and some don't. My Panasonic 14-42 did, but my 14-140 does not. I believe my 100-300 did not either, but I don't recall for sure.
     
  17. D@ne

    D@ne Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Could it be because the 14-140 and 100-300 have OIS switches on the body of the lens, while the 14-42 does not?
     
  18. meyerweb

    meyerweb Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Sep 5, 2011
    My recollection is that when DPR tested the 14-42X, they found this problem with OIS on or off. If you want to verify, check their test of the GX-1, as that's where then also tested the 14-42X.
     
  19. ivoire

    ivoire Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2011
    Naperville, IL
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    I took a chance when i saw BnH had the 45-175 for $299. It arrived and so far i'm liking it. Love the zoom feature and that its internal. Incredibly silent and is delivering IQ that i find acceptable.

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  20. D@ne

    D@ne Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    ^ any issues with image-doubling?