PakkyT
Mu-43 Legend
Patrick, please read my reply to Teemu, or read it again.
Did you find something in this thread that violated the Terms and rules and if so did you report it yet?
Patrick, please read my reply to Teemu, or read it again.
No. And I have not the slightest intention of reporting anything, and never had.Did you find something in this thread that violated the Terms and rules and if so did you report it yet?
Which begs the question: Why not use a simplified menu/settings as default BUT add an option to enable "advanced mode" (with the now removed options)? The features are/were there, why not just hide them by default. I remember the older Oly cameras had some of the menus hidden until you changed one setting to bring more menus visible. They could have AND SHOULD HAVE done that with the latest E-M10s. Then the camera would suit the absolute beginners who just want to press shutter but wouldn't annoy the ones who prefer to have more control of their equipment. Win-win. And I bet the implementation would have taken less time than removing all the menus from the mk4.And I'll go to the opposite end of the scale from @doady. And not just because I buy and sell pretty much everything regularly.
Personally I like the E-M10.4 (well in my case really the E-P7 (yes P7 not PL7). I find the simplified features and controls more enjoyable for what I use the camera for. The only real problem with the E-M10.3 and E-M10.4 (IMHO) is that Olympus released the E-M10.2. It was too complicated for too many. Yes for many of us here it has an avid following. But are the members of the "avid following" group entry level? Probably not. And what's probably the number one complaint of reviewers of many entry level camera? Menus and things are too complicated. Olympus had two options, make their entry level camera simpler or create another camera below the E-M10, only one of those options was really an option.
But for the record, yes I wish other advanced bodies still had tilt screens and yes they probably could have disabled some features be default with the option to enable them like the use to. But they didn't.
Why not use a simplified menu/settings as default BUT add an option to enable "advanced mode" (with the now removed options)?
BTW, I’m not saying I like it, or that it will work. But I do want to survive and it’s clear the old strategy wasn’t working.Because it brings the 5 and 10 lines too close together. Market strategy. Simple as.
Although it would be great for you to have everything you want in the lowest cost body it doesn’t make sense for OMDS to leave little reason for people to spend more on higher end models. And they’re betting the simplified menu is better for entry level so will do more to bring in new users than sticking with the complex menus.
Even if they did actually bring back the old settings to E-M10s, it'd still be far from E-M5s level. HiRes, ProCapture, PDAF, weathersealing, number of buttons, swivel screen etc. etc. Should I continue?Because it brings the 5 and 10 lines too close together. Market strategy. Simple as.
Although it would be great for you to have everything you want in the lowest cost body it doesn’t make sense for OMDS to leave little reason for people to spend more on higher end models. And they’re betting the simplified menu is better for entry level so will do more to bring in new users than sticking with the complex menus.
That's precisely why I have recommended to experienced photographer friends to buy the E-M10 MkII while it was available, rather than the MkIII (or now, MkIV).Yes. Precisely. Olympus latterly, and now OMDS appear to have made a decision to sacrifice what they must have estimated to be a small number of niche usage customers (such as Teemu here) for what they believe will be greater sales and/or revenue from new users or those with less specific requirements.
That's a horrible idea. That would mean E-M10 would take a step forward with features AND price (and people here are saying it should be dumb as a boot --> it would scare away the beginners) and E-M5 would take a giant leap backwards. H*** no!Since the plasticky plastic E-M5iii came out, why not merge the M10 and M5 lines
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you but evidently Olympus/OMDS didn’t think that was enough differentiation.Even if they did actually bring back the old settings to E-M10s, it'd still be far from E-M5s level. HiRes, ProCapture, PDAF, weathersealing, number of buttons, swivel screen etc. etc. Should I continue?
However, I guess it would make sense in mass production hardware economics - and then pay for the software you select embedded in them, maybe change the color & body graphics a bit as wellThat's a horrible idea. That would mean E-M10 would take a step forward with features AND price (and people here are saying it should be dumb as a boot --> it would scare away the beginners) and E-M5 would take a giant leap backwards. H*** no!
EDIT: Let's change that "dumb as a boot"-thing to "easy enough for an idiot to use".
But then you would take away the only current-sensor Olympus with a tilt instead of a flip screen, eliminating the main reason I bought oneSince the plasticky plastic E-M5iii came out, why not merge the M10 and M5 lines and have a paid upgrade option [from simple M10 menus to proper M5 menus] when the entry level customer feels ready?
That would mean E-M10 would take a step forward with features AND price (and people here are saying it should be dumb as a boot --> it would scare away the beginners) and E-M5 would take a giant leap backwards.
I am one of those enthusiasts who didn't see enough differentiation between the E-M10.2 and the E-M5.1 or .2
I think this might actually be harder than you might think. Remember in the Mark I & II the entire Custom Menu was not visible by default. I image going through there was not quick or easy. But I also image what happens when a hidden setting is change then maybe the user decides to turn off the advanced settings, the system would have to do a hard and complete reset.Which begs the question: Why not use a simplified menu/settings as default BUT add an option to enable "advanced mode" (with the now removed options)? The features are/were there, why not just hide them by default. I remember the older Oly cameras had some of the menus hidden until you changed one setting to bring more menus visible. They could have AND SHOULD HAVE done that with the latest E-M10s. Then the camera would suit the absolute beginners who just want to press shutter but wouldn't annoy the ones who prefer to have more control of their equipment. Win-win. And I bet the implementation would have taken less time than removing all the menus from the mk4.
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