Photograpy kind of newbie, advice for "casual" wildlife/birding ?

Discussion in 'This or That? (MFT only)' started by yves75, Oct 5, 2014.

  1. yves75

    yves75 Mu-43 Regular

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    Oct 4, 2014
    paris, france
    Hello there,

    Not really a complete photography newbie, but not into it for quite sometime ...
    Currently have a sony rx100 m3, and thinking about buying a kit for all-round use (but keeping the rx100, also do a bit of digiscoping with it)) with wildlife/birding as a key aspect (so needing good high focal length for this kit).

    Looked quite a bit of reviews, threads etc ...
    I think I took out the DSLR FF option, and probably also the APS-C option (although still hesitating on this one, due to the ability to get something like the Tamron 150 600 further down for instance).

    But somehow currently considering either a "zuperzoom bridge" (such as Canon sx50 or 60, knowing the small sensor and IQ aspects, but you also see good results with these), or a m4/3 with either the Panasonic 150 300 (or oly 75 300 II).

    For some reasons (not sure why, ergonomics of the bodies, evolution aspects), I lean more towards panasonic in the m4/3 option.

    And for the body would probably be looking for a G6 or GH3 body.

    Any advice ?
    I've read some mitigated things regarding the G6 EVF, is it appropriate for wildlife with the panasonic 150 300 ?
    What would be the major limitations ?
     
  2. yves75

    yves75 Mu-43 Regular

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    Oct 4, 2014
    paris, france
    Ok, not much advices :)
    So I pulled the trigger on G6 + 14-140mm f/3.5-5.6 + 100-300 @ 1200 €
    Hope I will not regret!
     
  3. Replytoken

    Replytoken Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 7, 2012
    Puget Sound
    Ken
    I suggest that you start with stationary birds to build up your skill, as shooting BIF ("birds in flight") can be a bit more challenging with m4/3rd's gear than with a good DSLR.

    Good luck,

    --Ken
     
  4. drd1135

    drd1135 Zen Snapshooter

    Mar 17, 2011
    Southwest Virginia
    Steve
    It's a slow Sunday. :smile: You made a good choice on your own.
     
  5. yves75

    yves75 Mu-43 Regular

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  6. wjiang

    wjiang Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    I got one of those TCON-17s for my 45mm and 40-150mm at a good price... it's fun but extremely unwieldy...
     
  7. yves75

    yves75 Mu-43 Regular

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    Oct 4, 2014
    paris, france
    You mean the AF system has problems dealing with it ? Something else ?
    (but also took it at a good proce mostly for the fun of trying)
     
  8. wjiang

    wjiang Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    AF doesn't actually seem to be affected. The 40-150mm is a bit slow anyway, so trying to take photos of birds or planes with the TCON-17 attached doesn't really help. No problems with the 45mm and 40-150mm, but vignettes with the PL25mm. Some noticeable C/A even in the centre of the image, particularly against a bright sky. Worse case is about 4 pixels deep.

    The unwieldy aspect is that the TCON-17 plus stepping ring(s) is quite a bit heavier than both the lenses I mount it on - especially the 40-150 extended. It's also pretty big compared to both lenses. With the 40-150mm extended, it gets pretty front heavy so tripod mounting doesn't help much. Still perfectly hand-holdable though.

    40-150mm: 190g, 6.35 x 8.31 cm
    45mm: 116g, 4.6 x 5.6 cm

    TCON-17: 260g! 8 x 7.5 cm!
     
  9. yves75

    yves75 Mu-43 Regular

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    Oct 4, 2014
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    Ah yes it must indeed become a bit tough with a tripod.
    But apparently there is tripod mount for the panasonic 100 300 :
    http://roesch-feinmechanik.de/29701.html
    Seen in below thread :
    http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3148707#forum-post-40665544
    Maybe will look into that.
     
  10. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    With your TCON, just make sure beforehand that the lenses you have are internally focussing. That is, if the front element with the filter ring rotates, there is a good chance you will be overstressing the AF motor if you're hanging a bunch of weight off it. There aren't many M4/3 lenses that do rotate the front element, but I don't know about the 100-300. Just be careful, and support the weight with your hand if you can while using it.

    You may also want to do some testing and see if you get better results with the TCON than just with cropping alone. I'm actually very curious about this one, and depending on the different tests people do, sometimes the results are surprising in this respect.
     
  11. yves75

    yves75 Mu-43 Regular

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    Oct 4, 2014
    paris, france
    Thanks, yes I will check that (I think I read somewhere it doesn't rotate, about putting filters), and will try to do some experiment once I get the kit (should be around beginning next week), and still need to get an adapter ring to be able to mount the TCON.
    Will also try to do some testing with the "internal numerical" teleconverter, maybe a bit better than cropping.
     
  12. kinlau

    kinlau Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Feb 29, 2012
    I have the GH3 + 100-300, FZ200 superzoom, and a Canon 7D with 300/4 and 400/5.6, and the Tamron 150-600.

    The FZ200 is great for it's portability, it's a lot slower and EVF isn't anywhere as good as the GH3.

    The GH3 is great, but my serious bird cam is the 7D. Speed and handling wise, there's no comparison.
     
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