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Photek Softlighters, FL600R, Lumopro LP180, Cybersync, RF602

Discussion in 'Lighting Forum' started by MikeWhitten, Jan 31, 2014.

  1. MikeWhitten

    MikeWhitten Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 29, 2012
    Ok, I did a little testing with a small collection of gear. All flash testing done with the flash set to 1/2 power. Info below:

    Can an Olympus FL600R fill a 60" Photek Softlighter II evenly with light? Yah, pretty much.
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    You can sync wirelessly at 1/320's with an EM-1:
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    An LP180 and an FL600R sync at about the same speed. You get a little darkening at 1/400'th with Cybersyncs but not much:
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    A Cybersync smokes an RF602
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    How big are softlighters vs a more common umbrella?
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    LP180 is a lot bigger than an FL600R
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    An FL600R gives up one stop vs a LP180. Both tests were repeated with 46" and 60" Softlighters. I used a Sekonic l-358.
    LP180: 3' f8, 7' f4
    Fl360: 3' f5.6 7' f2.8
     
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  2. MikeWhitten

    MikeWhitten Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 29, 2012
    Just a reply to try to bury the other thread.
     
  3. jloden

    jloden Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 15, 2012
    Hunterdon County, NJ
    Jay
    Thanks Mike for doing the testing, very informative.

    The Softlighter has been on my wishlist for a while, good to know a FL-600R unit can push enough light to fill one. Have you tried any testing with a portrait subject or similar to see if it works effectively at 1/2 or 1/1 power? It seems like that'd be pushing one pretty hard but if it can get by in a pinch that's good to hear.
     
  4. MikeWhitten

    MikeWhitten Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 29, 2012
    Most welcome. And yah, I did some selfie testing. It did fine with the Softlighter on a small boom just over my head. No issue at all w/ having enough light.
     
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  5. Nate Crisman

    Nate Crisman Mu-43 Rookie

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    May 23, 2012
    Do the Lp180 speed lights function correctly on camera?
     
  6. MikeWhitten

    MikeWhitten Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 29, 2012
    Nate... I never thought to try. I got it strictly to feed a modifier. Don't see why it wouldn't but the size is gonna be out of whack.
     
  7. Nate Crisman

    Nate Crisman Mu-43 Rookie

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    May 23, 2012
    Yeah, after I posted that, I re-thought about it. Picking up a single 600r for use as an on camera flash or single off camera wireless (via RC) when I need something "quick & dirty". Then buy lp180's for planned flash shooting w/ PW's.
     
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  8. HappyFish

    HappyFish Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sep 8, 2012
    Chad
    do those 180 flash units have radio triggers or anything ?

    if buying a manual flash I would be looking at the godox 850 units or the cheetah ones for US folks
    main reason no need for a battery pack anymore to get better recycle speeds etc.. and nice radio setup

    IMHO a 60 softlghter with a speedlight flash is a bit under powered ? OK for indoor as long as you don't need to worry to much about background ambient conditions or overcoming ambient like to overcome a color cast etc.. or worry about recycle times ? not saying it can't be done but not the best :) get into the higher ratings and you will be able to use it more creatively etc..

    having remote power control of your flash is one of those things once you use it you will never want to go back

    still prefer the cheetah 360 in the softlighter allows you to use it outdoors etc.. recycle time even indoors etc.. is instant and stuff :) just something to think for upgrade time of light gear :)

    again not saying you can't just not optimal for creative control ;)



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  9. MikeWhitten

    MikeWhitten Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 29, 2012
    Hi HappyFish,

    Nope, LP180's have to be triggered by external radio, sync cord, or optics. It is their one shortcoming (well, for a traditional AA flash!).

    I agree on the 60" w/ just a speedlight is pushing it. Look at the f/stops I posted up above. You aren't going to compete with the sun! For that matter, neither will the 46" compete with the bright sun using a speedlight. But, working with golden hour, tossing in some fill or highlights - that's ok.

    Those Cheetah / Godot lights look truly sweet. I love your mounting photo above - once I tried the LP180 mounted that way all the other bracketology required to mount a traditional speedlight just looked silly. Why oh why don't the 850's mount that way?

    And again - you're right about the remote power control. It's handy. I've got the Buff wired setup in the studio. It's one step away from where I generally shoot and sure is convenient. If Godot/Cheetah would stick a side mount on the 850's and shrink down the size of the remote transmitter a bit their flashes would approach perfection!
     
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  10. jloden

    jloden Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 15, 2012
    Hunterdon County, NJ
    Jay
    Just got myself a V850 recently also, as it happens. May or may not be relevant for your uses, but Godox has an S-type speedlight bracket that lets you mount flashes by the head instead of the foot:

    http://flashhavoc.com/godox-s-type-speedlite-bracket-released/

    The V850 FT-16S receiver is much smaller than the CL-180/CL-360's FT-16 unit, the smallest radio receiver I've ever seen in fact. It still sticks off the side but it's a really small bump, rather than a thumb-drive sized wart like you see in the pics above.

    I'm pretty excited about the Godox stuff, they're releasing a lot of useful products at reasonable prices. The V860 model has been announced and arrives in a few months with all the V850 features plus the addition of TTL. I'd be thrilled if they could support m4/3 TTL but that seems incredibly unlikely to happen. In the meantime I'm more than happy with a flash unit that can speak TTL with my Nikons and do remote control of manual flash with m4/3 :2thumbs:
     
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  11. jmaher

    jmaher Mu-43 Regular

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    Jun 7, 2012
    Sarasota, FL
    Jim
    What is the device you are using to mount the 180 with?


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  12. HappyFish

    HappyFish Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sep 8, 2012
    Chad
  13. MikeWhitten

    MikeWhitten Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 29, 2012
    Yep, me too. Standard stud. I'm putting that Kupo on my wish list.
     
  14. jmaher

    jmaher Mu-43 Regular

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    Jun 7, 2012
    Sarasota, FL
    Jim
    Kupo looks very sturdy.
     
  15. JamieW

    JamieW Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 25, 2013
    This is where I'd hug you, you know, if the computer wasn't in the way. :)

    Followed the link on that page:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...tiveASIN=B00IM3W8L6&linkCode=as2&tag=f0bd5-20

    31" collapsible softbox + mount, that will work with the flashes I already have of the CL-360 when I order it, for $60 with shipping. This is the motorcycle travel diffuser I've been looking for!
     
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  16. jloden

    jloden Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 15, 2012
    Hunterdon County, NJ
    Jay
    Haha.. glad I could help Jamie :tongue:

    I might pick up one of those kits myself... I have 2 Neewer 24" softboxes, but I'm not a huge fan of the speed ring they came with. I could get one of these and reuse the S-type ring *and* give myself a 31" softbox to play with while I'm at it.