PEN-F EVF issues

Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by gtrent733, Mar 22, 2016.

  1. gtrent733

    gtrent733 New to Mu-43

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    Seattle, WA
    PEN-F owners: has anyone experienced any issues with using the EVF? This last weekend I was shooting outdoors in bright sunlight on the beach. When I would put the EVF up to my eye sometimes the view would be black. I would have to try and re-position my eye to get it to show the image. Sometimes, no matter how I positioned my eye, the EVF just wouldn't come on. I would turn the camera off and then on to get the EVF to work or have to play with the FN2 button. This is the first time this has happened. Needless to say I was not happy. Missed a bunch a shots.

    I used this camera to shoot a couple of indoor events shooting over 1,500 images with no problem so I know it functions okay under some circumstances but this bright sun outdoors issue is new. Wondering if anyone else is experiencing the same?


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  2. Nothing I've experienced. My only problem has been "nosing" the focal point until I just turned the darned screen inward while shooting. I wonder if doing so tells the camera that I'm shooting "EVF-only" and so it wouldn't see the problem even if my camera has it.
     
  3. heli-mech

    heli-mech Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Andrew
    Most likely the sun was hitting the sensor beside the evf which will prevent it from detecting when your eye is close. Other cameras have that sensor within the eyecup which makes this less likely. A few reviewers have commented on this.
     
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  4. gtrent733

    gtrent733 New to Mu-43

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    @CarlB@CarlB I was wondering the same thing as I always have my screen turned inward yet I was having the problem. Thx.


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  5. gtrent733

    gtrent733 New to Mu-43

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    @heli-mech@heli-mech I agree but no matter how I positioned my eye / head to trip the sensor it still would not cooperate with me. Using the screen in bright sunlight was a waste of time. I'll guess I'll have to play around with it some more. Thx!


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  6. Ross the fiddler

    Ross the fiddler Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Because the eye sensor is out of the eyecup area you might decide to turn off the auto sensing & just use the switch to change to EVF. A bit of a pain but at least reliable. I really don't think they thought that part of the design through sufficiently & maybe it would have been better keeping the sensor in the eyecup, but I guess they had their legitimate reasons though.
     
  7. Idea: Using temporary tacky-glue, place a small rubber grommet around the EVF eye-proximity sensors. Should become a nice hood to keep most of the side-light from reaching the sensors.
     
  8. Drdul

    Drdul Mu-43 Regular Subscribing Member

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    Richard
    I'm reviving this thread because I experienced the same thing yesterday with my new (to me) Pen-F. It happened when the sun was behind me to the right, coming in over my right shoulder so it could hit the sensor beside the EVF. I found that if I squashed my glasses into the EVF it somehow positioned my head/glasses/hair/whatever in a way to block the sunlight, and the EVF turned on. But like the OP I missed a few shots (in my case I still pressed the shutter, it's just that I was shooting blind so the framing wasn't right).

    I was shooting with the screen folded away inwards to the camera, as I only have one battery right now and didn't want to drain it any faster than necessary, plus I was pleasantly surprised to discover how enjoyable it is shooting with the EVF. It's sunny again today (two days in a row in Vancouver, almost a record!), so I may turn off the EVF auto switch function in the J menu and leave the EVF on, as I doubt it would drain the battery as much as having the screen on (even with backlight dimming set to 30 seconds). I may fiddle around with attaching something on the camera body to the right of the sensor to see if that helps, and if I find a reasonably elegant solution I will post back here.
     
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  9. gryphon1911

    gryphon1911 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 13, 2014
    Central Ohio, USA
    Andrew
    I wear a hat with a brim that goes all the way around - a military style hat. That fixes the issue for me.
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  10. Drdul

    Drdul Mu-43 Regular Subscribing Member

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    Richard
    Won't work for me. I have an uncanny ability to look like a dork in any hat (confirmed by my wife!).

    I discovered today that my right thumb is a reasonably effective sunshade for those times when the EVF doesn't turn on, and I can deploy it quickly.

    A more elegant solution would be a replacement hotshoe cover with an integrated sensor shield. I may try 3D printing one.
     
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  11. gryphon1911

    gryphon1911 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

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    Central Ohio, USA
    Andrew
    Damn...and here I thought I found you a low cost solution....although the 3D printed route may not be a bad idea either.
     
  12. Drdul

    Drdul Mu-43 Regular Subscribing Member

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    Richard
    One more thing. I discovered that if the IOI button (aka the Fn2 button to the right of the viewfinder) is set to its default function, a long-press on the button provides direct access to the EVF auto switch function. I normally leave the EVF on auto-switch, but if I'm having trouble in bright sunlight I can long-press the IOI button, turn off auto-switch, and then manually toggle the EVF on and off (assuming that the screen is folded inwards towards the camera).

    This isn't my preferred solution as I prefer to assign the IOI button to toggle S-OVF on and off. I like to use S-OVF sometimes because, as Olympus says in the manual, it "makes the details in shadows easier to see." But it may be a useful tip for anyone else who's experiencing the same problem with the EVF sensor in bright sunlight.
     
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  13. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    It's a known issue. You'll just have to use manual switching (which I do most of the time anyhow).
     
  14. zensu

    zensu Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

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    Alabama USA
    Bobby
    I got so frustrated with the "AUTO EVF SWITCH" that I turned it off (EM1.1 and E-P5) and now I manually set the EVF or LCD mostly depending on whether I'm inside or outside.
    This may sound like a stupid question but do you have eyeglasses with polarized lenses? I've read for years that such polarization can block the EVF enough to look like a cat in a coal mine.
    I personally prefer to set many of the "AUTO" features to "MANUAL" on all my digital cameras.
     
  15. rich.smith

    rich.smith Mu-43 Regular

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    This may be the only advantage of being left eye dominant. I have both the E-M1.1 and the E-P5 and have never experienced the issue. It makes using using a camera harder in most other respects.
     
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  16. Drdul

    Drdul Mu-43 Regular Subscribing Member

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    Richard
    My eyeglasses have the standard anti-glare coating (which likely wore off long ago), but no polarization. The problem (in my case at least) is definitely that my head isn't blocking the sunlight when its behind me and to the right, as I can "fix" the problem by sticking my right thumb up to shade the sensor.

    Your suggestion of manually switch the EVF is what I've ended up doing. I like to use the EVF button (IOI) for S-OVF, however, so I may use one of the custom settings on the mode dial for a setting with the button set to the default function and EVF auto-switch turned off. I'll call it my "sunny" custom setting.
     
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  17. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team

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    Leamington Spa, UK
    What do you find useful in OVF mode? Genuinely interested since I've never found it of use at all.
     
  18. Drdul

    Drdul Mu-43 Regular Subscribing Member

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    Richard
    I read in the manual that S-OVF mode "makes the details in shadows easier to see," gave it a try, and found that Olympus was right. I use it on bright sunny days so that I can better see what's in dark shadows when I'm composing a photo. The downside is that I don't see the effect of exposure settings, and have accidentally blown out highlights in a few photos when I should have dialed down the exposure comp. So I'm not entirely sold on S-OVF, which is why I like having the ability to quickly toggle it on and off with the IOI button.
     
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