Panasonic reviews from a (former) Olympus user standpoint?

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The 2.0 firmware update for the G9 adds a AF near/far feature that you can program to a button. That does help when the camera is missing the mark on the right focal distance. I understand Olympus has something similar, though it is a distance range that can be configured instead. That 2.0 update has increased my keeper rate.
 

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I shot PEN-F for about 12-18 months, not always very actively because it was a secondary system to my Leica Q. (Now both of them sold and I've moved to harder drugs, namely Leica M.)

Coincidentally both of these cameras, Q and Pen-F, are CDAF-only cameras but the hit rate on Q was phenomenal, never seen anything like it before or since. Because Leica has worked with Panasonic on digital matters before and currently, including with Q, I simply hope that maybe their cameras share the magic sauce what comes to AF accuracy.

Never used C-AF, always 1-point S-AF, and single shot. I did shoot moving targets with both a lot.

I love Olympus bodies a lot, but if Panasonic takes this new "AF near/far" feature to their rangefinder-style bodies in the future, it could be very interesting.

I also love what I'm hearing about E-M1.2 accuracy and whatnot.

(At the same time I'm now going back to my Pen-F images and can't really find the accuracy too bad now. Maybe I pixel peeped too much back in the day?)
 

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Here is my very general take on the subject. To me it's much like when deciding between Canon or Nikon in the DSLR world. Both Canon and Panasonic are huge multifaceted companies, while Nikon and Olympus both derive the majority of the income from optics and camera business. I look at much the same as going to a medical specialist rather than going to a GP. It's the old "jack of all trades, master of none" argument.

Not having used Canon or Panasonic cameras very much I can tell you I have never been disappointed with the performance of either Nikon or Olympus gear.
 

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Here is my very general take on the subject. To me it's much like when deciding between Canon or Nikon in the DSLR world. Both Canon and Panasonic are huge multifaceted companies, while Nikon and Olympus both derive the majority of the income from optics and camera business. I look at much the same as going to a medical specialist rather than going to a GP. It's the old "jack of all trades, master of none" argument.

Not having used Canon or Panasonic cameras very much I can tell you I have never been disappointed with the performance of either Nikon or Olympus gear.
Your logic makes sense on the surface, and I've heard it before, but there are a ton of Panasonic and Canon users out there to debunk it. If anything, with Panasonic, making cameras that are good electronics is every bit as important in this day and age as any other heritage, legacy detail of camera manufacture.
 

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Both Canon and Panasonic are huge multifaceted companies, while Nikon and Olympus both derive the majority of the income from optics and camera business. I look at much the same as going to a medical specialist rather than going to a GP. It's the old "jack of all trades, master of none" argument.
Yes.... yet at the same time Panasonic certainly has the resources to throw at a product if they feel the need. And it shows!

I felt the same way about Panasonic vs Olympus, Panasonic being a giant corporation, but can't argue with the facts that Panasonic has done some great innovations on their cameras. Not to mention their lenses, most of which have an edge over Olympus ones, when it comes to the way they render (subjective).

Here's to hoping for a GX10 that has the G9 insides in a small RF-style body.
 
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Been an Olympus user since Four Thirds, got into M43 via EM5ii, then EM10ii, then EM1i, then EM1ii. Last year picked up a G9 as it was a ridiculous bargain. So my 10c.

I know people have issues with Olympus menus, I don't - though the EM1ii is VERY detailed and takes a little getting around. It's taking time for me to get used to the G9/Panny menu logic, that might be me resisting losing my intuitive feel for Olympus menus given my far greater familiarity. Though it has been good to get used to another brand's way of doing things, I feel I benefit from that.

Have shot with EM1ii and G9 side by side on a few occasions now. For me, the Olympus AF is more reliable (I use Olympus and Sigma lenses) and the EM1ii will play with adapted lenses (a couple of Sigma EF zooms with Viltrox focal reducer). The G9 will not entertain the focal reducer at all, and is better with the Sigma lenses than the Olympus lenses - some slight but noticeable hunting with the latter (all Pro zooms).

Output-wise, very little to choose between the two, again my residual Olympus bias probably plays a role as I slightly favour the SOOC output, slightly richer colours to my viewing. So if I have to choose which to take on a gig, more often than not the Olympus gets the nod. That might change in future, and I will probably add some Panny lenses and see what difference that makes.

I have one other camera purchase in mind, and given a choice between the Pen-F and the Panny models that compare spec-wise, my strong inclination is to go with the Pen-F. The Panny user experience hasn't won me over yet, and none get near the Pen-F for visual appeal to me. No question the G9 is a superb camera though, definitely worth the learning curve and great to have it alongside the EM1ii.
 

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Been an Olympus user since Four Thirds, got into M43 via EM5ii, then EM10ii, then EM1i, then EM1ii. Last year picked up a G9 as it was a ridiculous bargain. So my 10c.

I know people have issues with Olympus menus, I don't - though the EM1ii is VERY detailed and takes a little getting around. It's taking time for me to get used to the G9/Panny menu logic, that might be me resisting losing my intuitive feel for Olympus menus given my far greater familiarity. Though it has been good to get used to another brand's way of doing things, I feel I benefit from that.

Have shot with EM1ii and G9 side by side on a few occasions now. For me, the Olympus AF is more reliable (I use Olympus and Sigma lenses) and the EM1ii will play with adapted lenses (a couple of Sigma EF zooms with Viltrox focal reducer). The G9 will not entertain the focal reducer at all, and is better with the Sigma lenses than the Olympus lenses - some slight but noticeable hunting with the latter (all Pro zooms).

Output-wise, very little to choose between the two, again my residual Olympus bias probably plays a role as I slightly favour the SOOC output, slightly richer colours to my viewing. So if I have to choose which to take on a gig, more often than not the Olympus gets the nod. That might change in future, and I will probably add some Panny lenses and see what difference that makes.

I have one other camera purchase in mind, and given a choice between the Pen-F and the Panny models that compare spec-wise, my strong inclination is to go with the Pen-F. The Panny user experience hasn't won me over yet, and none get near the Pen-F for visual appeal to me. No question the G9 is a superb camera though, definitely worth the learning curve and great to have it alongside the EM1ii.
If you don’t have any Panny lenses yet, I think it does make a difference for performance, at least for things like dual-IS, and occasionally some lenses are just better/faster due to being newer, like the P100-300ii vs the O75-300ii (though I’m sure that goes both ways). It seems like it’s a situation where once you are into a brand, the differences in results alone aren’t great enough to justify the switch—you almost have to prefer the layout/ergonomics of one over the other.

IMO, so much comes down to why you even have the camera. If you’re not making a living at it, you have to have some very compelling reasons to make the jump, otherwise you just make more work for yourself learning new menus and possibly sacrificing some lens compatibility. I could be off on this, but it’s what I’ve concluded in order to keep my sanity and money.:)
 
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If you don’t have any Panny lenses yet, I think it does make a difference for performance, at least for things like dual-IS, and occasionally some lenses are just better/faster due to being newer, like the P100-300ii vs the O75-300ii (though I’m sure that goes both ways). It seems like it’s a situation where once you are into a brand, the differences in results alone aren’t great enough to justify the switch—you almost have to prefer the layout/ergonomics of one over the other.

IMO, so much comes down to why you even have the camera. If you’re not making a living at it, you have to have some very compelling reasons to make the jump, otherwise you just make more work for yourself learning new menus and possibly sacrificing some lens compatibility. I could be off on this, but it’s what I’ve concluded in order to keep my sanity and money.:)
Points well taken. I'm sold on Olympus and the EM1ii meets my needs well so I'm not seeing the need to assemble a stable of Pannys as I have with Olympus. I do like the variety the G9 gives me and the technical challenge of learning it, so that's my reasoning.
 

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Points well taken. I'm sold on Olympus and the EM1ii meets my needs well so I'm not seeing the need to assemble a stable of Pannys as I have with Olympus. I do like the variety the G9 gives me and the technical challenge of learning it, so that's my reasoning.
Oh, I don’t begrudge your experimenting! I think it’s more of a comment toward making a jump in brands entirely. It may not be worth the expense and trouble, unless you’re moving from a much older camera and don’t have an expense lens collection built out.
 

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I don't find Olympus menu so complicated. You should try Nikon, Fuji and Sony :biggrin: . But if we compare with Lumix....hard to say. Olympus has Super Control Panel.I think Lumix were slightly better.

My last experience with Lumix is GM5. I love the build quality. Somehow it's more dependable than Olympus. While i'm in the Hong Kong Airport, the GM5 were collide hard with troller. I though it would be a dent, but it turns out...looks fine! no dent and no paint peeling.

Too bad Lumix kills that line up. The compactness is one of the kind.
 

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I own three Olympus cameras and lenses from both Olympus and Panasonic. I stayed with Olympus because of the ibis but I'm seriously considering a G85 now that Pana has its own quality ibis. I really don't mind learning a new menu system, heck, I've been dealing with Oly menus since my E-P1 (which I still own). My Pana 25mm f1.4 is my go to lens which should work fine on the G85.
 
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I'd be more concerned with mixing breeds than jumping across.
I have my EM5II and EM1 2 setup same.
Pick both up and everything is second nature.
Twiddle dials, push buttons etc.
Menu is just that, (a menu) but the super control panel is an excellent tool.

That's worth staying in same camp more than a feature one does better or different to the other.
 

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I don't find Olympus menu so complicated. You should try Nikon, Fuji and Sony :biggrin: . But if we compare with Lumix....hard to say. Olympus has Super Control Panel.I think Lumix were slightly better.
I hear the SCP mentioned a lot but I found it to be quite meh, partly because (if I recall correctly) you couldn't change settings solely with the touchpad but more importantly, you can't customize it. There were some menu items I really wish I could've put on the SCP and I also wish I could've removed all the jpg-related items. Panasonic also has a less dense version of the SCP but I prefer using their QuickMenu instead. It's customizable.
 

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The LCD shooting menu screen option on the Panasonic cameras is awesome. Everything at your fingertips, a couple taps and done. SCP always seemed more dense and less touch friendly to me.
 

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I hear the SCP mentioned a lot but I found it to be quite meh, partly because (if I recall correctly) you couldn't change settings solely with the touchpad but more importantly, you can't customize it. There were some menu items I really wish I could've put on the SCP and I also wish I could've removed all the jpg-related items. Panasonic also has a less dense version of the SCP but I prefer using their QuickMenu instead. It's customizable.
Tastes differ. The problem with the quick menu in Panasonic, is that you can't fit everything on one screen, and you have to scroll to the other screen, while Olympus tries to cram everything useful into one screen (also true for the SCP that Panasonic supports with a few extra presses of display).. Another generic problem with the Panasonic is the full menu doesn't cascade, and you have to go through everything until you find what you want. Once you understand the structure of the classic Olympus menu, you can find things a lot quick by using the cascading feature, where each menu points to a sub-menu for a particular thing. Of course in recent Olympus cameras like the E-m5 mark III, there are enough items, that they have to have some menus scroll.
 

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I'd be more concerned with mixing breeds than jumping across.
I have my EM5II and EM1 2 setup same.
Pick both up and everything is second nature.
Twiddle dials, push buttons etc.
Menu is just that, (a menu) but the super control panel is an excellent tool.

That's worth staying in same camp more than a feature one does better or different to the other.
I feel the same way. I was using Olympus bodies exclusively and decided I wanted to a GX9 for travel and street. I've since added a G9. There was certainly a learning curve. When I pull out an Olympus body I feel kind of lost, even though I knew the system well. I probably jus have a feeble mind, but I think there's considerably less confusion when using bodies from the same brand.
 

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Tastes differ. The problem with the quick menu in Panasonic, is that you can't fit everything on one screen, and you have to scroll to the other screen, while Olympus tries to cram everything useful into one screen
That's a valid point. BTW is the SCP available via the EVF or is it only displayed on the rear screen? I can't recall. On my SLR-styled cameras, I usually have the rear screen folded inwards and doing everything via the EVF. It's convenient to be able to adjust settings through the QuickMenu without taking the camera away from my eye.

Another generic problem with the Panasonic is the full menu doesn't cascade, and you have to go through everything until you find what you want. Once you understand the structure of the classic Olympus menu, you can find things a lot quick by using the cascading feature, where each menu points to a sub-menu for a particular thing. Of course in recent Olympus cameras like the E-m5 mark III, there are enough items, that they have to have some menus scroll.
Hmm...I don't know if what you're describing applies to current Panasonics. I have my GX9 here at work with me and I can see that the menus can cascade down to 3 or 4 levels deep.
 

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That's a valid point. BTW is the SCP available via the EVF or is it only displayed on the rear screen? I can't recall. On my SLR-styled cameras, I usually have the rear screen folded inwards and doing everything via the EVF. It's convenient to be able to adjust settings through the QuickMenu without taking the camera away from my eye.
It is available on either the EVF or rear screen depending on your preferences, using the arrow keypad.

Even if you enable the tracking pad to set the focus point with the rear screen touch functionality, it doesn't carry through to using the menu with the EVF. There you have to use the arrow pad to do the selections. If you are using the rear display, you can use the touch screen to set the option you want with the SCP.

Hmm...I don't know if what you're describing applies to current Panasonics. I have my GX9 here at work with me and I can see that the menus can cascade down to 3 or 4 levels deep.
It is a matter of degree (and perhaps in later cameras it is changed). In my G85, the menu option chooses from several broad categories, similar to the Olympus. However within each category, there is no sub-organization. So I might have to scroll through 6 pages of screens to find the thing I'm looking for. In Olympus cameras, the main menus (particularly the cogs menu where the detailed settings are), there are sub-menus, so you don't have to go through all of the entries, menu item by menu item.

In my E-m5 mark III, it now is changed, so that the A, B, ... menus which had sub-menus in previous cameras, are now A1, A2, B1, B2, etc. on the main COGS menu. So it is a little more obvious about the sub-categories, but it does feel like there are a few more button presses (or it is just there are now more options).
 
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