Panasonic 14-42mm II or Panasonic 14-45mm?

Discussion in 'This or That? (MFT only)' started by _BG_, Jun 13, 2017.

  1. _BG_

    _BG_ Mu-43 Regular

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    Hello all.

    I own an Olympus E-PL7 and my kit lens is an Olympus Zuiko 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 II R.

    The problem is that the kit lens started to give me an black screen every time I turn on my E-PL7, so is basically useless... I have another lens, the Olympus 40-150mm R, but for a close range family photo does not suit very well...

    I also have the previous version of the 14-42mm, the Olympus Zuiko 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 II, but it also gives an error if I go above the 25mm range.
    Considering that fixing both lenses will cost me about 80€ per lens (160€ total, arround $180), I'm buying a new lens.. My initial thought was to sell the 14-42mm and the 40-150mm and get the Olympus 14-150mm II + Panasonic 25mm f1.4, but since I have two broken lenses there's no chance.

    The million dollar question is, should I buy the Panasonic 14-45mm f3.5-5.6 or the Panasonic 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 II?
     
  2. gryphon1911

    gryphon1911 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

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    Andrew
    I'd say, also throw into the mix the Panasonic 12-32 pancake zoom as well. I have it and love it. I need to use it in anti shock mode on my PEN-F, but beyond that - it is a stellar optic for the price.
     
  3. Christop82

    Christop82 Mu-43 Veteran

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    The 14-45 is the best of the kit lenses in that range. I've tested them all. The next closest was the 14-42 x power ois. The 12-32 is pretty close, but its build quality and ois are inferior. That being said, the 14-45 is double the size of the other two. I know where a good deal on the 12-32 is if you go that route. Pm me and I'll let you know if it's still available.
    Edit: If it was me, I would buy a prime instead. The Sigma 19 or the Panny 25 1.7 are in the same price range and are much better lenses. I know where a good deal is on the Sigma as well.
     
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  4. joesilver

    joesilver Mu-43 Rookie

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    I've used both the 14-45 and the 12-32, and liked them both. I haven't done a detailed comparison between the two. One thing to consider if there's a possibility that you might someday buy a newer Panasonic body is that the 14-45 won't do Dual I.S.
     
  5. _BG_

    _BG_ Mu-43 Regular

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    I didn't consider the Panasonic 12-32 pancake zoom because I use the range 32-40 often... That would require me to change lens to the 40-150 sooner than necessary...
     
  6. skellington

    skellington Mu-43 Veteran Subscribing Member

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    Keith
    But adding the 12-14 range is useful is you don't already have it.

    Considered the new 12-60 f3.5? Not sure how cheap they're going used... (Or the Infamous Olympus 12-50?)
     
  7. Several reviewers rate the new Lumix 14-42ii over the 14-45, but it's close. I really like the ii model on small bodies like the gx1. Like you i generally get more use of the extra 10mm at the long end, plus the focus ring is useful compared to its absence on the optically excellent 12-32.
     
  8. _BG_

    _BG_ Mu-43 Regular

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    Never had the 12-14 range, so how do you miss something you never had?
    The intention is to buy new, so the 12-60 is way off the budget (although it would be a great choice, because it would allow me to zoom further without changing lenses)...

    I like them both because of not having so much problems as the 14-42mm from Olympus due to not have to extend it to work.
    If they are optically better overall, great, I kill two birds with one stone :-D

    A prime is in my plans (most probably a 25mm), but for now I need to replace my kit lens...
     
  9. skellington

    skellington Mu-43 Veteran Subscribing Member

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    Keith
    I don't know about the availability in Portugal, but lightly used kit lenses especially are MUCH cheaper when purchased used here in the states. I'd guess at least half-off new prices.

    Lots of people buy a body with a kit lens and then immediately replace it, or already have one from a previous camera. The used market is rather glutted with them.
     
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  10. _BG_

    _BG_ Mu-43 Regular

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    How I wish that the same thing happened here... For what I see, the m43 market is underrated, the used market is even worse and both of them expensive...
    I think the number of m43 users in Portugal is very small...
     
  11. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    14-42 II is just as sharp as the 14-45, but it is way smaller, lighter, and pretty much doesn't extend at all when zooming. (It does extend, only a few mm)

    12-32 is nice, but the built quality is poor, it must be extended to be used, and the zoom range is really short.

    Another interesting option is to find a Panasonic 12-60. A lot of people got those for essentially free in GX8 kits, so you can find them inexpensively on the second hand market.

    P.S. - I know you said you wanted to buy new, but ALL of these lenses are severely overpriced as new lenses. There's just no way I'd pay $300 for a 14-42 II. That's robbery. And if you pay that for one, it will instantly be worth $100, which is what they go for on the used market in like new condition. Same with the 12-32. And then the 12-60 is $500 new, but easily found for under $250 on the second hand market. I like new stuff, but not at a 100-200% premium over used. You could go through three used 14-42's for what you'd pay for one new one, so what good is the warranty on new? And if the local market is poor, you can find bargains on ebay from Japan or Hong Kong.
     
  12. _BG_

    _BG_ Mu-43 Regular

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    I would agree with you IF I was living elsewhere, but in Portugal, with custom taxes, I'll pay for a used lens almost the same price, if not more, as a new one... The best deals are outside Europe and that's my big problem because of customs...
    A Panasonic 14-42mm II will cost me around 215€ (approximately $242), the 12-60mm about 320€ (approximately $359)...
     
  13. Christop82

    Christop82 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Try
    Look at your messages. You just need to find the right camera store. Even in Europe a used kit lens is priced like a used kit lens.
     
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  14. _BG_

    _BG_ Mu-43 Regular

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    Will definitely check that :)
     
  15. _BG_

    _BG_ Mu-43 Regular

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    So, I've been checking prices and so far this is what I have:
    • Panasonic 14-42mm II new: 215€ (approximately $242)
    • Panasonic 14-45mm used: 124€ (£109 / $138)
    • Panasonic 12-60mm used: 288€ (£254 / $321 - according to the description, in excellent condition but with an extremely minor amount of dust within the lens an the lens barrel shows only the lightest cosmetic marks)
    • Panasonic 12-60mm used like new: 305€ (£268 / $340 - according to the description, and I quote: "This lens looks to be in near mint condition with almost no signs of use. The optics are clean, clear with no marks or scratches. The lens barrel shows almost no cosmetic marks. The focus ring is smooth and in great condition. The lens mount is in great condition showing almost no signs of use.")
    What do you think guys?
     
  16. Christop82

    Christop82 Mu-43 Veteran

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    If that's your choices, 14-45 for sure. It's the only one on your list that's priced near its value. The 12-60 is a more useful range, but it's not worth more than double the cost of the 14-45.
     
  17. InlawBiker

    InlawBiker Mu-43 Veteran

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    Greg
    Given the pricing you listed the 14-45 makes the most sense. To be honest they all perform pretty much alike so you may as well get the one that suits your budget best.

    Greg.
     
  18. _BG_

    _BG_ Mu-43 Regular

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    Viseu - Portugal
    Thanks all for you comments and opinions... Got a good deal with an Olympus 14-150mm II for 331€ with transport included (around $386) here on Portugal...
    Now I can sell my Olympus 40-150mm R and the E-PL2 body to try to finance a prime lens (the first candidates were P25 F1.4 and Oly 25mm 1.8 but maybe I'll check the 15mm F1.7 also)...

    Thanks again guys
     
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  19. Bif

    Bif Mu-43 Veteran

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    Bruce Foreman
    I have 2 of the 14-45 and had the 14-42II on two bodies both of which I sold. I just paid $129 and change for a used 14-42II to put on my GX85 because I was really impressed with the sharpness, contrast, and image tones of the version II over the original 14-42 kit lenses offered with GH1, GH2, and some of the GF models.

    The problems with some of the Oly lenses (the 14-42 in particular) are due to a ribbon cable in the lens body. Since that design retracts for compact carry and has to be extended for use this ribbon cable is subject to flexing wear. The Panasonic lenses aren't plagued with this kind of problem.

    I have the Olympus 9-18 wide angle zoom that is an extend for use and retract for storage design, it also is plagued with cable flex and wear as it ages with use although mine doesn't see a lot of use, I pull it out when I really need ultra wide perspective.
     
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