Panasonic 14-140 II for video?

[Vesku]

This a major bummer I was hoping to eventually get this lens as my travel lens when I need reach (zoos etc). Are there those with a copy of the 14-140 without that jitter? Is it sample variation or consistently bad for everyone?

I first thought my 14-140 II lens is broken. I then browsed net and found lots of videos with that lens jittering. Take a look:

Some examples of fast vibration: Can you see the vibration in these videos?

http://vimeo.com/97000661 first clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npNEE4ivv9M (this is a very good example)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_17B2xVzo3o at 1:58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgqhGxfXi4s

http://vimeo.com/103599790

http://vimeo.com/100546927 (at 1:07)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Vp_HCq0G4&list=UUDWRr_PuDbNXHcyxwkl-erw (at 1:27)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTbo7lU63w (at 1:11 and 1:20)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liT3NfPksQ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQOb2kzYklc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y1TZoTVglk (at 0:45)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QRHqrcQMik (at 1:13)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXXOHcwA1PU

I am going to be very worried that my issue is every ones issue.

No stable video with this lens without a tripod.

 

[speedandstyle]

There is an option to tripods - steady-cams! Most pros don't rely on lens or sensor stabilizers for good handheld video, they use a steady-cam of some sort. There are many out there and they work. Some work better than others of coarse and the more expensive the better they are but even a small homemade one will work. If you are serious about doing video then a steady-cam is a must.

 

[Vesku]

There is an option to tripods - steady-cams! Most pros don't rely on lens or sensor stabilizers for good handheld video, they use a steady-cam of some sort. There are many out there and they work. Some work better than others of coarse and the more expensive the better they are but even a small homemade one will work. If you are serious about doing video then a steady-cam is a must.

Yes I can think many fix if my lens is not working:
-Get a tripod
-Get a gimbal or steadycam
-Get a stabilizing program
-Pult a heavy brick to camera
-Take some medicine to calm hands
-Dont shoot video
-Use 1/25 shutter with 24P
-Use blur filter in post
-etc,etc...

All I want is a working lens. I dont want to walk around with funny and heavy equipments.

 

[Vesku]

I cant believe that most people are happy with their 14-140 v2 lenses. Are they half blind or too shy or not shooting video? Or maybe they shoot video zooming and panning all the time like someone at the first time with a camera.

 

[Vesku]

I am thinking about selling my 14-140 v2 and buying 14-42 v2 if Panasonic cant make a FW fix for that jitter problem. 14-42 v2 has absolutely no jitter in handheld video.

 

[Vesku]

Panasonic official webpage in Finland published my review of 14-140 v2 lens. I told all the bad things about POWER OIS in video and still they put it online.

http://www.panasonic.com/fi/consume...t/lumix-g-objektiivit/h-fs14140e.reviews.html

 

[Vesku]

This is how 14-140 v2 looks in handheld wide shots. Is this normal with "video optimized" OIS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLNSg3Wz7ps

 

[Vesku]

What do you like this example of Panasonic 14-140mm f 3.5-5.6 . See the unpleasant jitter in handheld clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ev14Zn7a2I

 

[ijm5012]

Yes, the images look like s**t, and there is clearly an issue with the lens, but what does continuing to complain about it and posting videos do for you? It hasn't done anything so far, and it's unlikely that your thread here on mu-43.com is going to cause Panasonic to force a world-wide recall of the lens to fix it.

Maybe your time and efforts are better spent badgering Panasonic, showing them all of the issues with it, no?

 

[Vesku]

Yes, the images look like s**t, and there is clearly an issue with the lens, but what does continuing to complain about it and posting videos do for you? It hasn't done anything so far, and it's unlikely that your thread here on mu-43.com is going to cause Panasonic to force a world-wide recall of the lens to fix it.

Maybe your time and efforts are better spent badgering Panasonic, showing them all of the issues with it, no?

I am just collecting examples and sharing information about that issue. Many people has thanked me about warning this issue. Some has decided not to buy this expensive lens due to this issue. I have contacted Panasonic customer service many times and shared these links too. They are constantly saying that they investigate the issue and tell me if they find something.

The very big mystery for me is that people buy these very expensive gear and then not caring at all how the results look like.

If you have this faulty working lens please report to Panasonic. The previous version of 14-140mm got 3 FW updates and all improved the OIS behaviour.

 

[ijm5012]

Many people may be purchasing this lens to use for shooting stills, not video. Or, the people who do use this for video aren't expecting the pinnacle of performance out of a 10x, slow aperture zoom. A lens with an aperture range of f/3.5-5.6 isn't exactly impressive in terms of speed, and those who really do take video serious likely have much faster lenses.

 

[tosvus]

Many people may be purchasing this lens to use for shooting stills, not video. Or, the people who do use this for video aren't expecting the pinnacle of performance out of a 10x, slow aperture zoom. A lens with an aperture range of f/3.5-5.6 isn't exactly impressive in terms of speed, and those who really do take video serious likely have much faster lenses.

True, like Pana 35-100 2.8 that has the exact same issues.. :/

 

[ijm5012]

Exactly. That's a lens that was clearly designed with stills in mind. It's just a shame that it suffers from having the jittering as well.

 

[Vesku]

Many people may be purchasing this lens to use for shooting stills, not video. Or, the people who do use this for video aren't expecting the pinnacle of performance out of a 10x, slow aperture zoom. A lens with an aperture range of f/3.5-5.6 isn't exactly impressive in terms of speed, and those who really do take video serious likely have much faster lenses.

Zoom range or slow aperture has nothing to do with OIS performance. The oldest cheapest kit lens 14-42mm has very good OIS in video. The Panasonic 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 costs itself more than most good entry level camera kits like Canon, Nikon, Sony, Samsung, etc. Those cheap kits all has better OIS than Pana 14-140mm II.

 

[ijm5012]

Zoom range or slow aperture has nothing to do with OIS performance. The oldest cheapest kit lens 14-42mm has very good OIS in video. The Panasonic 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 costs itself more than most good entry level camera kits like Canon, Nikon, Sony, Samsung, etc. Those cheap kits all has better OIS than Pana 14-140mm II.

Well, the good news is that you'll be able to sell your Panasonic 14-140 II and pick up the new Olympus 14-150 II, since it doesn't have an issue with a defective OIS system.

 

[Vesku]

I finally got an answer from Panasonic factory about my questions of Panasonic 14-140 f3.5-5.6 OIS jittering in video. They said that my many jittering example videos I have posted to them looks normal and the the OIS seems to work in factory standards (pretty low standards) and there is nothing wrong.

It is not a surprise, what else they can say. They said the same thing about 35-100 f2.8 but still they made the FW fix. But they cant say that they have not heard about the issue of 14-140 II.

Here is one more example of "normal working OIS" in Panasonic 14-140mm f3.5-5.6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYzCrZ-eZn0

 

[Vesku]

Before you plan to buy this lens for hand held video check this example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S82ff3rKKzI

 

[Vesku]

Has someone experiences of other brands zooms in handheld video shooting? Is it normal for all brands that OIS vibrates at wide end handheld? Is there differences, what are the better brands. It is odd that Panasonic is very video oriented brand but still seems to have the worst OIS for video.

 

[Vesku]

Now when G7 is coming with that lens (kit) it is again time warn people about jittering OIS in video. Look at this example:

 

[D7k1]

I don't see anything that Mecrcalli 4.0 could not fix, and IMHO that youtube example was someone not using a shoulder mount - bad technique is what I see here. Not sure there is an issue. Even Oly's 5 axis IBIS unless your are very steady won't give good results Hand Held @ 140mm.