PanaLeica 100-400 for 1400€!!!

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by Raptor7, Feb 8, 2016.

  1. Raptor7

    Raptor7 Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 21, 2014
    Madrid, Spain
    One shop in Spain is just accepting preorders for the PanaLeica 100-400, and the price is 1395,27€.

    It could be an error, but if it isn't... Poor Oly 300...

    By the way, the shop is fotoboom.com. it is a well stablished shop with no grey market products.

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  2. Sammyboy

    Sammyboy m43 Pro

    Oct 26, 2010
    Steeler Country
    ...... it's a 100-300 on steroids ... it's just too slow ...
     
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  3. Speedliner

    Speedliner Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 2, 2015
    Southern NJ, USA
    Rob
    Glad to see it may be less expensive than thought. Looking forward to thorough reviews of its performance.
     
  4. mcasan

    mcasan Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 26, 2014
    Atlanta
    Fine if you have a GX8. But no Synch IS with a Oly body.

    I wonder if its at least 10% less if you can get VAT off?
     
  5. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    For what? I could just as easily say all the 300's are too short.

    Oly IBIS is already at 5 stops in the latest bodies. How much better can it possibly get? You trying to go down to 1/10 shutter speed for wildlife?
     
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  6. Sammyboy

    Sammyboy m43 Pro

    Oct 26, 2010
    Steeler Country
    ..... the word is SLOW ......
     
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  7. MRM

    MRM Mu-43 Regular

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    Jun 9, 2013
    Seattle, WA
    Matt
    I am sure it's slow for some wildlife and sports but I was just on safari in the Serengeti and I shot my 40-150 pro mostly at f8 for DOF. Some 5.6 and 4.0. I only used 2.8 in a early morning leopard in a tree. I know I couldn't have gotten that with 6.3 but for 2000 of my 2200 shots I didn't need the speed.
     
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  8. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    I'm personally much more interested in optical quality, flexibility, size, weight, and affordability than I am with an extra stop of speed. The Oly 300mm wins on speed and (likely) quality, but falls down on all the rest. It's a great lens for many, and the PL100-400 is great for others.

    ...isn't it wonderful that we have choice at every level, rather than so many other systems that don't even a single option in these spaces?
     
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  9. Raptor7

    Raptor7 Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 21, 2014
    Madrid, Spain
    The Synch IS gives you one stop more. The standard IS of the E-M1 gives you 5... I think it is more than enough.

    The VAT in Spain is 21%...

    I will wait for the first reviews. If the IQ is good, I think it is a more useful lens than the 300 f4.
     
  10. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    I read you loud and clear the first time. Too slow for what?
     
  11. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    The usefulness factor is the interesting debate. And that is dependant on how and what you shoot

    I have had a 50-200 for 7 or so years... doubt I have ever shot it much other than at 200mm... its just the way I shoot.. zooms to me most of the time are just 2 lenses in one.Not saying thats right or wrong... but its the way I work

    Added a 1.4 teleconvertor last year.. which put me close to 300/4 territory. Started shooting stuff I hadn't tried before... surfing... birds...

    Deal is that birds are small and surfers are always far away..and you will always be cropping big time

    PA280182

    PA280443

    P6040040

    surfing

    tits!

    My name is on a prebuy list for the 300/4 because its smaller than my 50-200, its fast and with the mC 14 can be longer.

    looking forward to trying it out

    K
     
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  12. mcasan

    mcasan Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 26, 2014
    Atlanta
    The Olympus specs for the E-M1 say:
    "Stabilization performance 4 EV steps*
    * Based on CIPA measurement conditions."
    Olympus OM-D E-M1 Weatherproof Interchangeable Lens Digital Camera | Olympus

    The specs for the 300 Pro say:
    "The in-lens stabilization on the M.Zuiko 300mm f4.0 IS PRO lens works in complete harmony with the 5-Axis Image Stabilization
    in OM-D cameras*
    to deliver an astounding 6 shutter steps of performance, ensuring crisp, clear telephoto images, even off tripod."
    M.Zuiko ED 300mm f4.0 IS PRO Lens | Olympus

    So the 300 Pro OIS adds 2 stops to the package. I imagine the combo of the GX8 and 100-400mm will also be around 2 stops better that just using the GX8 body. But I leave that to others to sort out.
     
  13. Raptor7

    Raptor7 Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 21, 2014
    Madrid, Spain
    I think that the IBIS in the E-M1 was updated to the level of the E-M5 II with the firmware 4.0. So, it is 5 stops right now.

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  14. mcasan

    mcasan Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 26, 2014
    Atlanta
    Not according to the specs published by Olympus that are updated for firmware 4 for EM1 and firmware 2 for E-M5II. IBIS for E-M1 body is 4 stops and IBIS for E-M5II is 5 stops. So we can hope that IBIS for E-M1 II will be at least 5 stops.
     
  15. ijm5012

    ijm5012 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Oct 2, 2013
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Ian
    Here's how I look at it:

    @ 300mm, the Oly is 1 stop faster. So if you regularly find yourself shooting at 300mm and ISO 1600 or 3200, then the 1 stop slower PL100-400 may not be the right lens for you.

    @ 400mm, the Oly is 1/3 stop faster. So if you're at ISO 1600 with the 300 PRO, then you'll be at ISO 2000 with the PL100-400. At 400mm, I don't see it as that big of a difference.

    Please keep in mind that this is assuming that the transmission values of the lenses are equivalent (which they likely won't be). The PL100-400 has 20 elements, while the Olympus has 17 elements, so the transmission value will likely be a bit better for the Olympus than the PanaLeica, adding greater disparity to the actual shutter speed values.

    If you regularly shoot at ISO 1600+, then the PL100-400 may not be the lens for you. If you shoot below ISO 1600 a lot, then the PL100-400 may be a better option, if you need the flexibility. I don't think IQ will be a big difference, based on what I've seen from the PanaLeica so far. Yes, the Olympus will be better, but I don't think the difference will be as great as many people though prior to images being released from the PL100-400.
     
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  16. TonyG

    TonyG Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 15, 2012
    Ontario Canada
    Can't shoot a BIF at 1/10 shutter speed. A faster lens is a blessing. Personally the Panasonic is way more versatile and affordable than the Olympus but if you live in an area like I do that where heavy cloud cover is the norm, it's usefulness is compromised. I came across a post in another forum where the estimated f/stop at 300mm is about f5.7.
     
  17. mcasan

    mcasan Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 26, 2014
    Atlanta
    Indeed, we are missing objective lab comparisons between these lenses at 300mm and at 400mm (420mm for 300mm + TC). I hope at least one lens testing lab is planning to do the tests and comparisons.
     
  18. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    It's been confirmed by user reports (Daniel Cox) that it's f5.6 @ 300mm, no estimates needed.

    So it's exactly 1 stop slower at 300mm, and 1/3 stop slower at 400mm. That's rarely do or die for me, but others may disagree.
     
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  19. Raptor7

    Raptor7 Mu-43 Regular

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    Dec 21, 2014
    Madrid, Spain
    It's one stop slower at 300 and one stop and 1/3 at 400.

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  20. mcasan

    mcasan Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 26, 2014
    Atlanta
    Both lens can do 300mm. But for the 300 Pro to get to 400mm it has to add the 1.4 TC and that combo is 420mm @ F5.6. So the comparison would be 100-400 at 400mm F6.3 vs the 300 Pro plus the TC at 420mm F5.6.