Original OMD EM5 ---buy new glass or body or??

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I use Pen F and the jump from 16 to 20 sensor feels significant especially in high ISO performance. So EM1 II should be too.
It's good upgrade and now days Olympus still using EM1 II's sensor for their new cameras right
Reza, the 20 MPx sensor in the E-M1 MkII is a later version than the one in the Pen F, and is marginally better.
 

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Bushboy I can identify with that completely. So since both you and I know and understand GAF (and I imagine a lot of other people here as well) then RAH should immeidately launch and promote the website and we can start signing up GAFFERS!!
 

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Is there not someone in the expat community making a trip back to the US?

I've been riding my motorcycle from Alaska to Ushuaia for 7 years (including about 7 months total in beautiful Ecuador). A couple of times I had expats bring motorcycle spares from the US for me.

I use an EM 1.2 with 12-40 PRO. Both solid and reliable, essential given that specialist service locally to you is non-existent.
 

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Are you still riding or have you completed your trip?? I ve not been as far south as Patagonia, only to Peru this time out Lima and one time before to Machu picchu many years ago.....
Right now looking for someone coming south I can get to bring the camera. Understand how that grapevine works. What you say about service of any kind here is absolutely dead on.
Thanks for the information
 

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Are you still riding or have you completed your trip?? I ve not been as far south as Patagonia, only to Peru this time out Lima and one time before to Macchu piccu many years ago.....
Right now looking for someone coming south I can get to bring the camera. Understand how that grapevine works. What you say about service of any kind here is absolutely dead on.
Thanks for the information
Trip is far from over. For the moment, whilst it is still impossible to cross land borders as a tourist in South America, we decided to return to England for a short while. We have caught up with family and friends and received the vaccine. As soon as land borders open up to us we will return to our motorcycle which is in Esquel in Chubut province, Patagonia region of Argentina and continue our trip.
 

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I would say GLASS.
BUT, a few of your shots and description makes me think again.

When I do a shoot, one of the consideration is the physical requirements of the shoot.
If I have to lug gear for a distance or a long time, I bring my lighter non-pro lenses. Being a senior citizen, age has taken it's toll, and I don't have the physical strength or endurance of you youngsters.
I have two sets of lenses; pro and non-pro.​
The PRO lenses are bigger and heavier than the non-pro lenses.​
Yes, the IQ of the non-pro lens does not match the pro lens. But what good is the IQ of the pro lens, if you are so tired you can barely lift the heavy camera? Been there, done that :( There is a reason that I do not shoot a FF dSLR, WEIGHT.

The new pro 40-150/4 splits that weight gap, with a pro grade lens at a lighter weight than the 40-150/2.8 lens.
Similarly the 12-45/4 vs the 12-40/2.8.
But added up they are still heavier than the non-pro options. Though I have to gather the specs to say by how much.

I shoot an EM1-mk2, but I also have an EM10-mk2, when I want smaller and lighter.
Except for shooting fast sports, I can shoot anything with the EM10 that I shoot with the EM1.

Power warning:
People have mentioned the 12-100/4.
The 12-100/4 is a power HOG. I don't know if it is the AF or IS, or both.
If the AF, I don't know if the other pro lenses are any better in power consumption.​
My reference base is the EM1-mk1 and Panasonic-Lumix 12-60, where I got about 4 hours CONTINUOUS run time. The 4 hours was consistent over about two weeks of daily use; consistent battery change at approx. 11am and 4pm.
With the 12-100, the run time went down to 2-1/2 hours. :eek: This means carrying MORE spare batteries (I have FOUR spare batteries for the EM1-mk1).
I think all the EM5 and my EM1-mk1 use the same capacity battery. The EM1-mk2 and mk3 use a 40% larger capacity battery.
 

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Hi ac12
Agree completely about the weight. Most of where I go when I am shooting is on foot and mountainous. I also am senior at 70 years old. Many times I carry the EM5 and only the 12-50 non pro kit lens and a spare battery so understand completely the weight strictures....
You have some interesting information here on lenses. I imagine I will be shooting the glass I have with the new body and hope to be able to squeak out maybe a new 40-150 as well but am not sure of which lens I am going to get yet. Again your information helps a lot. Many thanks for the great observations.
 

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The significantly shortened run time of the 12-100/4 was a rude surprise.
I expected some reduction in run time, but not that much. At first I thought that it was because I was shooting in high 40F temp, but the short run time was duplicated in nice warm 80F temp. Then I checked with Olympus service, and they said the run time was not unexpected. They recommended the EM1-mk2 for use with that lens, because of the larger capacity battery.

I have not done a run time test of my various lenses so I cannot say what the run time of other pro lenses are like vs. the various non-pro lenses.
 

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Power warning:
People have mentioned the 12-100/4.
The 12-100/4 is a power HOG. I don't know if it is the AF or IS, or both.
I would rely on camera IBIS for most of the shooting time and activate Sync IS only when you need it. That could save some juice (especially in S-AF and ordinary shutter speeds).
 
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I would say GLASS.
BUT, a few of your shots and description makes me think again.

When I do a shoot, one of the consideration is the physical requirements of the shoot.
If I have to lug gear for a distance or a long time, I bring my lighter non-pro lenses. Being a senior citizen, age has taken it's toll, and I don't have the physical strength or endurance of you youngsters.
I have two sets of lenses; pro and non-pro.​
The PRO lenses are bigger and heavier than the non-pro lenses.​
Yes, the IQ of the non-pro lens does not match the pro lens. But what good is the IQ of the pro lens, if you are so tired you can barely lift the heavy camera? Been there, done that :( There is a reason that I do not shoot a FF dSLR, WEIGHT.

The new pro 40-150/4 splits that weight gap, with a pro grade lens at a lighter weight than the 40-150/2.8 lens.
Similarly the 12-45/4 vs the 12-40/2.8.
But added up they are still heavier than the non-pro options. Though I have to gather the specs to say by how much.

I shoot an EM1-mk2, but I also have an EM10-mk2, when I want smaller and lighter.
Except for shooting fast sports, I can shoot anything with the EM10 that I shoot with the EM1.

Power warning:
People have mentioned the 12-100/4.
The 12-100/4 is a power HOG. I don't know if it is the AF or IS, or both.
If the AF, I don't know if the other pro lenses are any better in power consumption.​
My reference base is the EM1-mk1 and Panasonic-Lumix 12-60, where I got about 4 hours CONTINUOUS run time. The 4 hours was consistent over about two weeks of daily use; consistent battery change at approx. 11am and 4pm.
With the 12-100, the run time went down to 2-1/2 hours. :eek: This means carrying MORE spare batteries
Thanks for the warning, no need to lust for a 12-100 anymore when your main camera is the E-M5 mark III. :)
Battery life is that camera's Achilles heel as it's basically running E-M1X-level AF calculations on the power supply of an E-M10.

And about that E-M1 / 12-60 synergy, I took that exact combo on a hiking trip in the mountains 2 years ago. 6 days and just under 1000 pictures later, it was still on its first BLN-1 battery. I didn't even need the spare!
 

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Thanks for the warning, no need to lust for a 12-100 anymore when your main camera is the E-M5 mark III. :)
Battery life is that camera's Achilles heel as it's basically running E-M1X-level AF calculations on the power supply of an E-M10.

And about that E-M1 / 12-60 synergy, I took that exact combo on a hiking trip in the mountains 2 years ago. 6 days and just under 1000 pictures later, it was still on its first BLN-1 battery. I didn't even need the spare!

That is a problem with smaller cameras.
Power hungry mirrorless camera, in a small frame, where you can't put a large capacity battery. And more power consuming stuff; AF, IBIS, OIS, etc.
So, to get the extra battery capacity, you bolt on the battery grip, and bulk and weight go UP. Uh, there is a reason I bought the EM1-mk2 and not the EM1X, size and weight. If I'm going to bolt on a battery grip all the time, I might as well get the EM1X.
This is the same problem laptops had. Battery life was not long enough, so they had extra capacity batteries that stuck out from the laptop, or bolt on battery packs that added another 3/4 inch of thickness to the laptop. This was before the shift to lithium batteries, which had its own issues, like catching fire (which they seemed to have resolved).

But, if your shooting style is not LONG shooting sessions, then you may not notice the battery drain of a power sucking lens.
So, I think shooting style is also a factor in what works for you.

The other week, I was shooting a high school golf match, 9 holes. Both cameras (EM1-mk2) had to switch to the spare batteries; one camera with the 12-100, the other with the 75-300. I came home and had to charge four batteries.
 

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And about that E-M1 / 12-60 synergy, I took that exact combo on a hiking trip in the mountains 2 years ago. 6 days and just under 1000 pictures later, it was still on its first BLN-1 battery. I didn't even need the spare!
Which 12-60, Pan/Leica 2.8-4 or Pan/Lumix 3.5-5.6 or adapted 4/3 Olympus?
 
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The Lumix. It was in reference to @ac12 's post who referred to the 12-60mm Panasonic/Lumix.
I've not tried the others, though I have flirted with the PanaLeica, and in my experience the 15-20mm of extra range are certainly useful over the 12-40 or 12-45 Pro.
But since I want all zooms to work identically I've decided to no longer use Panasonic zooms, as all my Olympus zooms rotate the other way around.
 

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Been sitting back and reading...want to thank all of you for the great experience based knowledge you are sharing here it is much appreciated!
 
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