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OM-D and Fuji XE1 go live !

Discussion in 'Other Genres' started by Wolf, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. Wolf

    Wolf Mu-43 Veteran

    238
    Jan 14, 2012
    Yesterday I was at a local gig with my omd + 45mm and xe1 35mm

    Gotta some nice photos despite the small venue.
    Working with the OMD was a joy , with the XE-1 not so much...
    struggled so much with the AF
    Though ofc the XE1 high iso is better, but the omd can keep iso much lower...

    all photos can be seen at

    B Brothers XL - a set on Flickr

    OM-D


    XE1


    OMD


    XE1
     
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  2. Liamness

    Liamness Mu-43 Veteran

    375
    Apr 20, 2011
    Oh man, I thought they'd improved the XE-1's AF over the X-Pro? Bit of a shame having such excellent low-light capabilities when you can't focus on anything in such conditions.

    When you say "omd can keep iso much lower", are you referring to the inbuilt stabilisation, allowing for longer shutter speeds? I would've thought such a function would be pretty useless in a gig situation.
     
  3. incabloc

    incabloc Mu-43 Top Veteran

    539
    May 21, 2012
    Thanks Wolf,
    I was thinking of adding the XE-1 to the OM-D. Hmmm...
     
  4. With_Eyes_Unclouded

    With_Eyes_Unclouded Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 17, 2012
    Vassilios
    E-xa-ctly. :smile:

    Thanks for sharing. :wink:
     
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  5. Wolf

    Wolf Mu-43 Veteran

    238
    Jan 14, 2012
    For the OMD i used iso 1250 @ 1.8 (45mm lens)
    The XE photos (BW even) were at iso 2500 and even then the camera struggled

    And i was using the newest firmware for the XE1, it's indeed a problem... the xe1 has great low light capabilities but it's spoiled by the horrible AF (vs nex for example with it's Focus peaking during MF)

    I think i would have been able to shoot at iso 800 with the OMD, but time/space was low so I didn't change much settings during the gig (very crowded, small venue)

    The IBIS did help for that I think

    The XE1 CAN make great photos (the greatest of all mirrorless imo) but...
    the conditions need to be ideal (no fast movement, not too dark, ...)
    I prefer a camera then that makes photos a little bit less good but that gets a lot more photos right
    I think i might sell the XE1 and add some lenses for my omd instead (17mm, 75mm, 25mm)

    The XE seems to struggle with exposure too quite often (during daylight) when i compare to nex / omd
     
  6. Very nice work, Kristof!

    I was curious about what was meant here also. For a static subject the E-M5 is obviously going to be able to keep the ISO somewhere in the order of 3-4 stops lower assuming equal lens speed, but I would think that at a gig like this you'd need to keep the shutter speed up and shoot them both at similar ISOs.
     
  7. With_Eyes_Unclouded

    With_Eyes_Unclouded Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 17, 2012
    Vassilios
    This is not always the case with live gigs. I know that most people think they have to use, say, 1/250 to keep motion frozen, but, in fact musicians don't jump up and down that much (well, some do, but what can you do? :tongue:).

    Another aspect is, sometimes you want to show motion, for example making a fanning impression of the drumsticks, etc.

    All in all, for most cases, you actually can gain a stop or two with OM-Ds IBIS on a live gig situation. Probably more.
     
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  8. Wolf

    Wolf Mu-43 Veteran

    238
    Jan 14, 2012
    I can confirm this
    I didn't mess with shutter speed much (usually auto), but the XE1 at @ 1.6 iso 1600 had a hard time (read : didn't focus sharp at all)

    The omd at 1.8 and iso 1250 had no problem at all...
     
  9. savvy

    savvy Mu-43 Top Veteran

    714
    Sep 28, 2012
    SE Essex, UK
    Les
    XE1?
     
  10. With_Eyes_Unclouded

    With_Eyes_Unclouded Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 17, 2012
    Vassilios
    You probably mean "the XE1 had a hard time" :biggrin:

    If you have the chance to do concert shooting in the future, may I suggest you try (a) spot metering, if you haven't done so and (b) try to find a good exposure in manual mode. It's not that difficult: just test meter, decide on you optimum aperture and shutter speed for the situation and then push/pull ISO to get a neutral exposure.

    To tell the truth, since I like to keep shadows, I often go for a slight (say 2/3 stop) underexposure on the above method. That way you gain a bit of ISO and you can always push shadows somewhat in post, if needs be.

    Concert photography is an exciting and challenging photographic experience and you can have tons of fun doing it. :thumbup:
     
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  11. Wolf

    Wolf Mu-43 Veteran

    238
    Jan 14, 2012
    Yep, error corrected and thanks for the info

    It is indeed a lot of fun, but getting to the right spot inbetween the people is often the hardest :)
     
  12. Armanius

    Armanius Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 23, 2010
    Houston
    Muttley
    100% agreement.
     
  13. CarlB

    CarlB Mu-43 Veteran

    One nice thing about Fuji though - they aren't afraid of improving performance with firmware changes. The latest X-E1 1.04 firmware seems to have improved things quite a bit. Although that could just be me figuring out how to help it grab low-light focus, I'm very new to the camera.

    Ah wait, I have the 18-55mm wide-angle zoom. I may have read somewhere that it's better for low-light autofocus.

    I had no problems getting AF on these and others last night:

    <img src=https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8439965216_6762d2d487_z.jpg>

    <img src=https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8189/8440944159_97ebcd841f_z.jpg>
     
  14. Steven

    Steven Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 25, 2012
    USA
    Both look pretty brilliant to me. I am using manual lenses for these types of photos right now though I probably will get the Olympus 45mm at some point. I do like the manual lenses for smooth focus transition during video. I can never get those super fast shutter speeds you guys are talking about. My most recent gig I could only manage 1/40 or so with ISO 1600. And that's with F1.4-2.