Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III Released

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Reading this discussion I find it interesting to see how many posters go to DPReview for information. Please keep in mind they openly host and support anti MFT posters on their forums. DPR support and promote:

- Daily & weekly posts with the biggest rumors possible on MFT & Olympus
- They were quick to report and talk days about "Olympus is closing in 8 months"
- Don't think the "Olympus is closing in 8 months" was not a campaign - track all the postings/timing on this rumor
- Completely biased reviews always listing questionable "What we don't want" conclusions
- Openly promoting full frame solutions (with many biased articles/content)
- DPReview hardly ever update MFT reviews after firmware updates
- Just go see how they bashed the EM5 III (Forum and reviews)
- Their latest official talking point is "Olympus upgraded CAF is erratic and no good
- Lets play a game - see if you can spot the main points they developing/listing to discredit the EM1 III, over the next months.....

I often think....imagine a potential buyer goes to DPReview for information on M43 cameras. What is the chances that person will forever run and NEVER buy MFT gear spending just a week at DPReview.....

I really sometimes think people still do not realize how important social media has become to the modern marketeer. How many people still believe most YouTube reviews are not paid reviews?

It is safe to say - DPReview is a full scale Full Frame Sanctuary.....
Ironically, I bought a G9 largely based on DPR's review. I didn't get the feeling they were pushing me to another platform. Heck, they even made the G9 the 2019 runner up on "most improved" thanks to the 2.0 firmware update. I take any comment section with a huge grain of salt. It's classic internet--ranging from logical and helpful discussion to completely baseless fanaticism. I learned more about the "user experience" of the G9 from the sample image gallery here, but the actual camera review from DPR was very helpful.
 

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In Australia the 12-45mm pricing is rude too. It's a few hundred more than the 12-40mm f2.8.

Olympus must be bleeding cash.
What the...??? They are actually charging more for the 12-45 than the 12-40 there? That is rude! Either that, or the 12-40 is being heavily discounted.

Here in Canada (where we face our share of rude prices), there's a $500 price gap, down to $350 with the 12-40 on sale. Still, it's refreshing to see a PRO lens retail fro well under $1000 CDN at full MSRP.
 

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Man people do like to moan and groan for sure. Yeah it doesn’t do your dishes and it’s not a radical rethinking of what MFT has been capable of. But 🤷‍♂️, people need to freaking relax. I get it if you don’t like the EVF, but Panasonic has the same obsessions over old EVF’s, just look at the GX7/GX85/GX9 line. It’s not like the EM1’s EVF sucks. And so what if the sensor is the same, do you need 50 megapixels with 450 phase detect points that can crop at 200% so you can shoot the license plate numbers on cars 2 miles away? The 20 megapixel sensor is totally fine. I can’t wait to see what they come up with next, but if you *need* to be able to make 20x40 foot prints, go buy a Sony or Hasselblad. Olympus does need to make the money back on their R and D with the current gen sensor and have time to develop the new one.
I totally agree. But that's what these forums are use for: moaning and groaning over every new release. Don't think it doesn't happen on the Canon, Nikon, and Sony boards!

BTW: I thought Olympus gets their sensors from Sony? (And that was the limiting factor in why you can't get more than 20 MP on MFT when phone sensors are hitting 100 MP [meaning Sony won't make them]).
 

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What the...??? They are actually charging more for the 12-45 than the 12-40 there? That is rude! Either that, or the 12-40 is being heavily discounted.
I've heard rumours that the 12-40mm f2.8 is about to cop a price hike here (which makes sense. Olympus announced they're increasing their Pro lens RRP a while ago).
 

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I totally agree. But that's what these forums are use for: moaning and groaning over every new release. Don't think it doesn't happen on the Canon, Nikon, and Sony boards!

BTW: I thought Olympus gets their sensors from Sony? (And that was the limiting factor in why you can't get more than 20 MP on MFT when phone sensors are hitting 100 MP [meaning Sony won't make them]).
My guess is that smartphone sensors are just in a different R&D category than the large sensor category, and they certainly sell in much higher volume. Also, there are advantages to having larger pixels for light collection, so there is a balance to be made.
 

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What the...??? They are actually charging more for the 12-45 than the 12-40 there? That is rude! Either that, or the 12-40 is being heavily discounted.

Here in Canada (where we face our share of rude prices), there's a $500 price gap, down to $350 with the 12-40 on sale. Still, it's refreshing to see a PRO lens retail fro well under $1000 CDN at full MSRP.
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Well I was getting interested in one of these, but unless I am missing something the kit pricing is not that good.

I hope I am missing something here :hmmm:

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What the...??? They are actually charging more for the 12-45 than the 12-40 there? That is rude! Either that, or the 12-40 is being heavily discounted.

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Had to check at B&H Photo website and they have the 12-40m f/2.8 on sale for $849 (Normally $999.). The new 12-45mm f/4 is $649 but it's not in stock yet.
 

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So, third day in after the announcement, and we're only just hitting page 6 of this thread. I detect that there's not a lot of excitement or emotion.
E-M1III is clearly evolutionary model and not revolutionary as previous version was.
Personally I like it and only thing which prevents my purchase of it is lack of my financial resources. :)
I could buy body but without weather sealed lens that would be pointless.
I hope that it will be available soon as combo with new 12-45 f/4 lens at reasonable price.
But I'm tempted by E-M5III too as it has some advantages over the E-M1III (size, cost).
 

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I think what a lot of us are forgetting is the new processor and the potential future upgrades through firmware. I'm guessing there will be scope for some impressive firmware updates for the Mkiii if the new processor has the same power as the two in the EM1X. I think this will also signal the end of any major firmware updates for the Mkii.
 

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Kind of an underwhelming release but what did we expect with no new sensors available. No new EVF panel is a little shocking. I guess it’s too much to expect the one that goes into Panasonic S series but I would think there’s some middle ground to be had. Oh well.. At least the body shape is same and the battery grip can be reused.

hopefully Olympus has some software tricks that they’ll add via firmware later.
 

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I think what a lot of us are forgetting is the new processor and the potential future upgrades through firmware. I'm guessing there will be scope for some impressive firmware updates for the Mkiii if the new processor has the same power as the two in the EM1X. I think this will also signal the end of any major firmware updates for the Mkii.
hopefully Olympus has some software tricks that they’ll add via firmware later.
I think that Oly did great job with FW v3 for the E-M1ii but I do not expect they will ever add useful things such as: MyMenu or custom AF targets. It is an irony that FW updates became a new product strategy. Sometimes it is better to have a feature rich product from day one. You can blame Fuji for that who made it so important (the first two X camera generations were basically beta products so they outshined all bug fixes with a new cool feature). On the other hand Oly has more time for new features/tweaks development.

Speaking about the E-M1iii it should inherit all things from the E-MIX one day. Namely any future AF refinements (S-AF, C-AF, C-AF+TR) which can be expected in FW v2 for the E-MIX in Q2 2020. Personally I would like to see a panorama stitching/stacking (JPEG) and panorama bracketing feature. Some ppl ask for better HDR modes or an artifact free tripod HR shot.
 

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Disappointment implies you were expecting more. I honestly don't see how any of us could. Modest incrementalism is king, and when you consider the X you had to know that Oly couldn't do too much with the MK3.

I'm a broken record on this, but I really think Oly needs better focus and segmentation. Have one "pro" DSLR-style camera. High end features and price, for those who can and will spend the cash for birding/wildlife and sports. Cram as many of those features as possible into a high end super-stylish compact option (yeah, the F) so you give the well-heeled something else to buy.

But really focus on the smaller bodies and lenses. Still a key point of differentiation for the format. Mashup the E-M5 and 10 lines in to one option, and bring along the E-PL line as well. Update the 1.8 primes (WR, at least). Try to come up with a reasonably priced zoom somewhere between the 14-42 options and the 12-40.

Consumer options: E-M5/10; E-PL; 17, 25, 45, 75/1.8; consumer 12-40; 14-150; 75-300. None of those lenses, except the 75, should cost more than $350. And keep a 14-42 and 40-150 as <$100 bargain options. Maybe try to market the previous gen bodies with the cheap 2-zoom kits to better compete with low end Canon and Nikon stuff.
Please excuse my ignorance but WTF is WR ??
 

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Vistek - perhaps a good view from an independent camera retailer who carry other lines and are not fan boys of one specific format!

good review from the Vistek video guy, comparing MFT (em1.3] against a comparably priced Sony FF.
Now being a Sony A73 shooter, I agree with much of what was said. However in the first point about long lenses the reviewer compares the Oly 300mm f4 to the $11,000 Sony 600mm f4, but does not mention the excellent Sony 200-600mm f5.6-6.3 zoom that can be had for $1,998, or $500 to $1000 less than the Olympus.

Loved my EM1 since 2013 but bought a Pany G9 about 2 years ago instead of the EM1 MK2 update because of the way better egronomics and supposedly better features, but the eye AF was terrible and I just never warmed up to it, way too video centric for me. So a few months later I looked at a Sony A73 and was impressed. Have had the Sony for 17 months now and just love it, and my M4/3 gear has been pretty much sitting in the closet. But I have some excellent M4/3 lenses and I am considering getting an Olympus EM1 MK 3, now that it (finally) has a joystick for AF selection and dedicated buttons for the ISO and EC. These controls, along with front and rear dials for SS and aperture, are how I like to shoot and control my settings.

I still shoot with Nikon too, but given the weight advantages of mirrorless lenses over DSLR ones, I could now see myself selling off all my Nikon gear, instead of M4/3, and keeping both the Sony and Olympus for everything. Would upgrade the A73 to either the A7R3 or R4, to gain the higher MP's for landscapes though, as that is what I now use the D800 for.
 
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