Olympus EM-5 Mark III news and rumors

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The Canon M6 MkII would be another alternate choice to the E-M5 MkIII... but the lacking factor for me was a poor selection of glass. I'm in love with the Olympus 12-40 f/2.8. I love that lens.
Yeah, EOS-M glass is a lot less desirable than M43 or Fuji premium lenses. There is not a single native 1st party premium build lens. BUT, you can use all of the EF and EF-S glass, as well as Sigma ART lenses, with native performance. For wildlife/sports, there are so many good older / third party lenses you can toss on there that cost <$1000. The camera isn't weather sealed, so you can use any random cheap adapter out there.

The EOS-M versions of the Sigma 16/30/56 is pretty exciting for Canon shooters. Those lenses have the build quality approaching things like the Panasonic 12-35 2.8 & PL 15mm, and better than the Olympus 1.8 primes.
 

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Yeah, EOS-M glass is a lot less desirable than M43 or Fuji premium lenses. There is not a single native 1st party premium build lens. BUT, you can use all of the EF and EF-S glass, as well as Sigma ART lenses, with native performance. For wildlife/sports, there are so many good older / third party lenses you can toss on there that cost <$1000. The camera isn't weather sealed, so you can use any random cheap adapter out there.

The EOS-M versions of the Sigma 16/30/56 is pretty exciting for Canon shooters. Those lenses have the build quality approaching things like the Panasonic 12-35 2.8 & PL 15mm, and better than the Olympus 1.8 primes.

The Sigma primes do look pretty nice. I'd halfway considered the 16mm on u4:3, but it is a bit big. I want a wide fast prime for a trip next year. The Panasonic 15mm or the Oly 17mm are the top I'm considering.

But yeah, the EOS-M line needs some GOOD first-party glass, and it would be more compelling. The EF and EF-S lenses are still gonna be on the bigger side.

So oh well, I pre-ordered the E-M5 MkIII. There's still a slim chance I'll cancel the order, but I'm 99% at "F it, I'll just get it". I'm reasonably sure at this point it will do well enough for me for a long time.
 

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The Canon M6-mk2 uses an add on EVF, not an integrated EVF. UGH
It's primary mode of operation is the rear screen, like a P&S camera.
That design seems like something aimed at the cell phone crowd.

That was the same reason that turned me off from the Nikon 1, V3. Nikon removed the integrated EVF of the V2.
 

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The Sigma primes do look pretty nice. I'd halfway considered the 16mm on u4:3, but it is a bit big. I want a wide fast prime for a trip next year. The Panasonic 15mm or the Oly 17mm are the top I'm considering.
Yup, I'm definitely way more excited about the 30mm / 56mm for M43. I actually had the 16mm on Sony for about 2 weeks, it has really good rendering and balances well on a bigger body. I think it would be good on my GH5 because the 15mm and 17mm are awkwardly small, and the focus ring has better damping IMO than either of those. But that lens is just comically proportioned on most of the M43 bodies.
 

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The Canon M6-mk2 uses an add on EVF
Looks like they still haven't brought back the tilt EVF. I was just about to make fun of its resolution, but then I noticed that it is a 2.36M OLED. That's actually pretty good, though the 0.63x magnification isn't great for aging eyes...
 

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The Canon M6-mk2 uses an add on EVF, not an integrated EVF. UGH
It's primary mode of operation is the rear screen, like a P&S camera.
That design seems like something aimed at the cell phone crowd.

That was the same reason that turned me off from the Nikon 1, V3. Nikon removed the integrated EVF of the V2.
I was hoping they'd do an M50 MkII, not an M6 MkII.
 

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Looks like they still haven't brought back the tilt EVF. I was just about to make fun of its resolution, but then I noticed that it is a 2.36M OLED. That's actually pretty good, though the 0.63x magnification isn't great for aging eyes...
I auditioned the E-M5 III yesterday at my local dealer. I’m 75, and wear glasses and the new OLED EVF was great, brighter than the one in my E-M1 II, and easy to see the whole screen.
 

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I auditioned the E-M5 III yesterday at my local dealer. I’m 75, and wear glasses and the new OLED EVF was great, brighter than the one in my E-M1 II, and easy to see the whole screen.
Nice to hear, how did the build feel?
 

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The problem is that people want Olympus to pull out all the stops and then sell the camera for $1000. I just don't think that's economically viable for them right now. Photography is a hobby business for them but they can't lose too much money. Investors/board members have already pushed for them to stop making cameras. They had that accounting scandal which indicates they are not exactly an efficient business machine. Nikon is far more invested in camera making and some of the decisions about the Z50 are at least as bad as any made on the EM5III. I'm certainly not defending them but this is their reality. I think it's pretty telling that their mu43 partner has invested heavily in a FF system. Mu43 has a certain part of the shrinking ILC market and it's just not going to get bigger. If you are not willing to live with shortcomings and/or quirkiness, then mu43 may not be the system for you. OTOH, the new EM5III is a fine image-taking system and I suspect those who buy it will be happy with it. As a long time Pentax user, I admit I may be more willing to put up with these kind of things.
 
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I auditioned the E-M5 III yesterday at my local dealer. I’m 75, and wear glasses and the new OLED EVF was great, brighter than the one in my E-M1 II, and easy to see the whole screen.
Just curious. Do you think the magnification got lower for eye relief reasons? You noted that it worked well with eyeglasses and that you could see the whole screen.
 

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The problem is that people want Olympus to pull out all the stops and then sell the camera for $1000. I just don't think that's economically viable for them right now. Photography is a hobby business for them but they can't lose too much money. Investors/board members have already pushed for them to stop making cameras. They had that accounting scandal which indicates they are not exactly an efficient business machine. Nikon is far more invested in camera making and some of the decisions about the Z50 are at least as bad as any made on the EM5III. I'm certainly not defending them but this is their reality. I think it's pretty telling that their mu43 partner has invested heavily in a FF system. Mu43 has a certain part of the shrinking ILC market and it's just not going to get bigger. If you are not willing to live with shortcomings and/or quirkiness, then mu43 may not be the system for you. OTOH, the new EM5III is a fine image-taking system and I suspect those who buy it will be happy with it. As a long time Pentax user, I admit I may be more willing to put up with these kind of things.
I wanted them to either pull out the stops, or sell the camera for $1000

They did neither.

A new E-M5III that's just a cut-down E-M1.2 with some E-M10III bits (basically what we got) just can't justify being $1199.

A new E-M5III that was as big a step up as the previous models were could justify that. If there had been a couple big showy items in this release (like evolving the computational capabilities even further than the E-M1X did), I'd accept the launch price.

What we got was a VERY solid update with nothing showy and a couple losses in capability (smaller EVF, no support for an external battery grip). That's a $999 camera not a $1199 camera. Don't get me wrong, it's an excellent $999 camera, but that's still not a viable $1199 camera.

And to make matters worse, launch at too high a price limits initial sales, especially when there's competing launches at this product level. Olympus cannot continue to launch slightly more camera for significantly more money when the whole crop sensor market is being pushed at both ends. They're still pricing as if it's 2013 and there's only one FF mirrorless camera and it sucks (original A7). That strategy burned them on the E-M1.2 and E-M1X launches and is going to do so again.
 

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Em5.iii looks good enough as an upgrade from em5/em10 in the different marks. Not sure how many would "downgrade" from em1.ii, or better whats the price that would make this "move to the smaller body" meaningful.
 

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The street price will adjust quickly, as usual. Just don't buy it at day1 and you'll be fine.
I will be, but how many will look at the price and buy elsewhere, especially if upgrading from a E-M10 of some variety with a kit lens or two. The same price as an E-M5III nets you a X-T30 with Fuji's outstanding 18-55 f2.8-4 or a 35/2 WR or the 15-45 and enough price difference to pay for most of a 50-230.
 

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Em5.iii looks good enough as an upgrade from em5/em10 in the different marks. Not sure how many would "downgrade" from em1.ii, or better whats the price that would make this "move to the smaller body" meaningful.
The target market will mostly be upgraders from an older body. I expect few E-M1.2 users to even look here. But anybody running an E-m10 of any version or an original E-M5 are getting a huge upgrade, and it's an upgrade in most respects from the now 4 year old E-M5II or the 6 year old E-M1.

The hardest sell will be E-M5II users who don't use AF-C, because they gain the least from the update on paper.
 

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The hardest sell will be E-M5II users who don't use AF-C, because they gain the least from the update on paper.
Agreed. I'm an E-M5II user, but I DO use AF-C, and that's one big thing that is really lacking, so the MkIII will be an upgrade for me. If I didn't need or use AF-C, I'd be more than happy with the MkII.
 
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