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Oly 12-40 or 12-60?

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by nstelemark, Nov 10, 2013.

  1. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    I am in the process of succumbing to the thought that I need to get the 12-40 and replace my 12-60 with the E-M1. With luck you fine folks will convince me otherwise.

    Pros:

    Faster AF in low light
    Smaller than 12-60
    Constant Aperture

    Cons:

    20mm less reach

    The same:

    IQ
    Weather sealing

    So basically I would get faster AF with less reach.

    The 12-60 is plenty sharp (OOC JPEG with E-M1):
     

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  2. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    Well, I have neither E-M1, 12-60 nor 12-40 (!), but for me the notably smaller size would be a major deciding point.
     
  3. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    Yes the 12-60 is a big lens. Ironically it is no bigger proportionately than the 12-40 even with the adapter. And the 12-40 can't be used with the 1.4 or 2.0TCs which is a drag.
     

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  4. Dave Jenkins

    Dave Jenkins Mu-43 Veteran

    I'll follow this thread, because I'm very interested in the 12-60 as a one-lens-only kit.
     
  5. hkpzee

    hkpzee Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 5, 2011
    Hong Kong
    Patrick
    Since you were asking us to help convince you to keep your 12-60 rather than replacing it with the 12-40, and I'm pro 12-40, I tried to keep my thoughts to myself. Yet, I couldn't help but point out one additional advantage of the 12-40 over the 12-60. The 12-40 has a constant f/2.8 while the 12-60 is f/2.8-4.0 and chokes down rather quickly... :tongue:

    Seriously though, given the similar IQ, I would go for the 12-40, which, IMHO, is made for the E-M1!
     
  6. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    Constant aperture would be a plus as would the smaller size no question. I'm just trying to save a few $$ :wink:


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  7. Clint

    Clint Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 22, 2013
    San Diego area, CA
    Clint
    • Let's start out with the 12-60 is a fantastic lens with great acuity even wide open, better than on the E-5 or E-30!!!
    • It provides about the same maximum image magnification as the 12-40 yet allows you two more inches to light your subjects when at the closest focusing distance!
    • And it comes with a hood and a very decent case!
    • At 3.13 x 4.64 in. - 620 grams compared to the 12 - 40mm's 2.75 x 3.31 in. - 382 grams the 12-60 is more substantial with a longer reach making it much easier to grasp, hold, and control. It holds its own with the heavy weights!
    • Autofocus can be overridden at any time just by turning the focusing ring. So manual focus is never needed or fumbling with the 1990s design push and pull things.
    • Selling the 12-60mm and buying the 12-40 is going to cost you quite a sum to lose 20mm of reach! That's like $22.50 per millimeter (or more) in lost reach!
    And probably the biggest factor - it is already paid for!!!!

    Oh, I forgot to add - when I checked the useage of my 12-60mm lens, something like 25-30% of the photos were taken between 40-60mm focal length. Just how oftern do you want to be changin lenses?
     
  8. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    The 12-60 close up ability is excellent for sure. From today:

    Fall berries:
     

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  9. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    This is my main reason to keep this lens. It is a 100% viable one lens system with the E-M1 and if you add the TC2.0 you get 24-240 equivalent with a very small kit.
     
  10. kenez

    kenez Mu-43 Regular

    125
    Apr 18, 2012
    I have been giving this topic some thought as well but in my case it's the 14-54mm versus the 12-40.mm. I also own the TC20 and I agree that the ability to use a teleconverter with the legacy 4/3 glass is a big plus. If I were going to go with the 12-40mm it would be because I suspect it auto focuses a bit faster than the 14-54mm even with phase detection on sensor. On the other hand the 14-54mm ( or the 12-60mm) gives me more reach, the aperture range of 2.8-3,5 on the 14-54mm is comparable, it's already paid for and the money I save by not buying the 12-40mm could go into something else that isn't redundant. I suppose if I went the 12-40mm route I would sell my kit 12-50mm as it seldom gets used and after rebate maybe I would be looking at $600 give or take. That's not a bad price for a high quality native lens but do I really need it? Probably not.
     
  11. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    The 12-60 is definitely faster focusing than the 14-54. I have the 14-54II as well, and the 12-60 in good light is nearly instant, the 14-54 is slower.

    One not obvious benefit of the 12-60 is the front element weight :wink: . Seriously it makes the camera nose heavy so when you are carry it on a shoulder strap it is always pointed lens down. This keeps falling rain off the lens.
     
  12. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Dara
    One thing to keep in mind is warranty. 12-60 SWD motors are not bulletproof, and the front element is attached using 3 plastic prongs. Having to send the lens in once it's out of warranty will definitely eat into the savings vs. the new 12-40.

    One other pro for the 12-40 is distortion - it doesn't seem to have the 'mustache' distortion present in the 12-60 at the wide end - so it can easily be corrected.

    But you already know where I sit on this question!
     
  13. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    I originally posted this thread because I had limited time to act on the 12-40 rebate.

    I am going to stick with the 12-60 primarily because I want the extra 20 mm of reach and the ability to use the 1.4 and 2.0 TCs.

    My only complaint is with the low light focusing and given the limited improvement in lens speed at 40mm with the 12-40 (less than a stop) I am going to wait for the 42,5 Nocticron since it is 2.5 stops faster. Assuming the AF is fast this should be a good solution, and it should be in the same cost range.
     
  14. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Dara
    Are you using the 3x3 focusing box on the E-M1? I've been told that can make a difference on PDAF speed, including in low light.
     
  15. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    No I am not. A single AF point. I will try the 3x3 box. Thanks Dara!
     
  16. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    No I am not. A single AF point. I will try the 3x3 box. Thanks Dara!