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Not satisfied with m43

Discussion in 'Back Room' started by toyanucci, Sep 19, 2014.

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  1. toyanucci

    toyanucci Mu-43 Regular

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    Aug 8, 2014
    Posting a pic I took a few hours ago. With proper lighting the em1 gives great results (As do all cameras). I think part of my issue is the support for olympus raw files in Lightroom...RAW files are very bland and washed out but with some coaxing the colors really do pop. I paid attention to the autoprocessing that Lightroom was doing as well. I'm pleased with this image.

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  2. toyanucci

    toyanucci Mu-43 Regular

    115
    Aug 8, 2014
    Didn't know about this program (though I do have Topaz Denoise), but the results look pretty darn good to me! I'll check it out. Does it allow for batch processing?
     
  3. A2Alex

    A2Alex New to Mu-43

    5
    Sep 19, 2014
    USA
    Toyanucci, thanks for posting some files.

    I just want to offer my 2cents on switching systems. If you decide that Olympus isn't working for you, I would strongly recommend simply returning to Canon. Switching to another manufacturer like Fuji or Sony will consume time and money. If you don't have the time or inclination to develop an Olympus workflow you're happy with, when will you have time to sell your gear, research and acquire a third system, and learn to work with it?

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with reverting to something that already worked for you, I'd just be cautious about assuming that something new will hold all the answers for you.
     
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  4. Klorenzo

    Klorenzo Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 10, 2014
    Lorenzo
    Yes it does. You can also copy and past a group of edits from a picture to others or save these as "styles" to reuse those later. It's a Lightroom free open source alternative.
     
  5. rezoguitar

    rezoguitar New to Mu-43

    7
    Jul 15, 2014
    If you don't like the Adobe profiles/colors (Camera Calibration tab) you may consider researching any number of the threads on the Huelight profiles.

    As I remember they were $10 for 4 (std, lo, med, high).
     
  6. Oversharpening and not masking increasing the appearance of noise; Only took 37 more posts to get back there.

    Smetimes taking the scenic route is more fun :smile:

    But seriously, my experience with Canon APS-C raw files was that they can take more sharpening than Olympus or Panasonic, but they also need more sharpening and so the balance of sharpness and noise isn't much different in the end product where it matters. It could be a case of different levels of in-camera raw processing as well as processing software equalising any technical differences that exist.
     
  7. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman Subscribing Member

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    glad we are all on a more positive note

    think there are a couple of take aways from this dialogue

    1) If you are going to post a 'sky is falling on my head' type post at least provide some actual evidence at an early stage... I understand the OP had specific travel based time constraints... but posting a 'its gone to hell in a handbasket' post with a provocative title and not backing it up with evidence is a recipe to get people riled on any forum, even one as even tempered as this.

    2) Not all RAW convertors do the same job for a specific camera... The RAW format is different for every manufacturer, and often indeed for each camera model. Only the manufacturer actually knows what their actual RAW file ( eg the basic digital info from the sensor) actually means.

    They don't share this information openly with the wider world... only their own software reflects their intended interpretation. Apple, Adobe, Capture 1, Darktable and all the others have to reverse engineer the data and come up with their own interpretation.. Some go with trying to replicate as best they can the manufacturers wishes in terms of sharpness, noise reduction and colour, others deliver a more plain vanilla file that has as much of the original data as possible with minimum enhancement, leaving the final choices up to the photographer

    3) If you want a realistic answer to a problem, at least provide an example not a vague opinion... one person's noise is another mans gritty realism.. one persons tack sharp look is another's sterile emptiness... as soon as the OP posted his file, we could all contribute in a meaningful way



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  8. peterpix

    peterpix Mu-43 Veteran

    234
    Feb 8, 2010
    So. Maine
    Peter Randal
    you don't like m43s then don't use it. don't bore us with you problems. Those of us who like m43s accept what it is.Go play on the DSLR world!

    I wrote this post for those out there considering m43. Do your homework first and make sure it suits your needs before going all in! I will miss the size of the em1 it's really the perfect size but would benefit immensely if it had a apsc sensor. I will miss the focus accuracy and speed as it was unparalleled! I never missed focus, not even one time.[/QUOTE]
     
  9. ApGfoo

    ApGfoo Mu-43 Regular

    169
    Dec 10, 2012
    Bay Area
    There's a reason why he left in the first place. Experimenting with Fuji and Sony will consume time and money in the relative short term but long term he will know which system will work best for him.
     
  10. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman Subscribing Member

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    not really a positive contribution to the debate

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  11. zathras

    zathras Mu-43 Regular

    161
    Jul 13, 2014
    Waikato, New Zealand
    Chris Nielsen
    In Lightroom, at least in my one, under Camera Calibration you can choose from Adobe Standard, which to my eye looks hideous. You can also choose from Camera Neutral / Muted / Portrait / Vivid - all of which look to me to be similar to the in camera settings you can choose from. This may help... ?
     
  12. broody

    broody Mu-43 Veteran

    388
    Sep 8, 2013
    IMO it's Lightroom default settings that suck for M43. I have issues with it too (ACR + PhotoShop CS6, actually), but I haven't created a default profile to fix it.
     
  13. tosvus

    tosvus Mu-43 Top Veteran

    643
    Jan 4, 2014
    I will repeat my advice to look at kiss camera profiles, and no I have no affiliation! :)  you will likely find a profile, maybe simulating Canon, that you are more pleased with!
     
  14. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    Killarney, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
  15. Clint

    Clint Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Apr 22, 2013
    San Diego area, CA
    Clint
    Setting up a preset in Lightroom for what you expect is your solution. I have one preset where no sharping occurs, no noise reduction, no Auto Tone adjustments, and use Camera Natural Camera Calibration. Because I often shoot many photos in nearly similar situations at once, this is a preferred Import preset for me to use for these types of photos.

    Once my photos are imported I cull my photos deleting what I don't like, then adjust the first image to my liking, and synch those changes to all of the rest. From there I spend a minimal amount of time on each of the rest. My best photos may get 15 seconds to several minutes worth of adjustments and/or a trip to Photoshop and back.

    Post processing RAW images can make or break photos from any camera manufacturer.
     
  16. RobWatson

    RobWatson Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    LR (ACR) is pretty generic. RAW development needs to be fine tuned and used as a preset. Once done the work is quite easy. Colins stuff (Huelight) is pretty nice but one still needs to fine tune to ones own taste/style.

    Even finding lens profiles is tricky and one must constantly check for new/updates or build their own (way more Canikon users do this so easier to find).

    Not to forget ACR is pretty limp compared to OV3 so choose wisely.

    Took me about 2 years to settle on a specific group of presets but now processing is basically eliminated/automated except for 'rescue' attempts/efforts to save a photo with bad lighting or wrong settings.

    I do the same effort with Canon so no real difference as far as the amount of work in developing RAW as far as platform goes. Noise is never an issue with proper settings and lighting appropriate for the subject.

    Maybe my standards are too low.

    Also, I'm not satisfied ... the price of seeking perfection.
     
  17. MuBear

    MuBear Mu-43 Regular

    46
    Aug 4, 2014
    Costa Rica
    I did an extensive research before I bought my EM5. I scourged the internet for photos taken with m43 cameras, tested with sample raw files etc. so in my case I was already expecting it. Lets be honest here, the image quality is definitely inferior to that of an APS-C but that doesn't prevent me from going out and taking pictures, if anything, I find it more challenging and often I would find myself thinking more before pressing the shutter to get the best picture possible. I won't be selling my em5 any time soon, I am having a lot of fun with it. I carry it everywhere with me under all kinds of weather and have even gotten compliments from the nice looks of the EM5, I wouldn't feel so carefree I were carrying a Leica. So my suggestion for you is, unless you are on a budget or in a desperate need of the money, keep the camera.
     
  18. val

    val Mu-43 Top Veteran

    548
    Dec 19, 2013
    Australia
    William
    LR puts sharpness at 25 by default, I don't mind it but it might reduce the "grainy" feel to the higher ISO shots.
     
  19. toyanucci

    toyanucci Mu-43 Regular

    115
    Aug 8, 2014
    Having made adjustments for the issues I was having, I took a bunch of photos today and have been pleased with the results. The adobe profile used by default in LR was park of my problem as after import photos were very disheartening but I've resolved to tweaking the files and am quite happy with the results I'm getting. I'll continue fine tuning over the next few days and make a preset to help automate the necessary basic adjustments and fine tune individually after.

    I love the em1 outside of the concerns I expressed. It's small enough to take everywhere and also un intrusive enough to take out anywhere and not have people stare at me or act too differently the way they do with "big" cameras. A photographer tonight had a 5DM2 and a Fuji X-E1 and she was shocked at the AF speeds my em1 gave. I also did some quick LR and photoshop edits before hitting the stage and she was so excited about the potential of the em1 that it made me excited too lol. As you said though, I'll have to be more mindful before taking certain shots to maximize the potential of the em1.

    With that said, thanks to all those who contributed positively to this thread. I've learnt quite a bit, not just about photography and the em1, but about people and the nature of being flamed (this was my first time).
     
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  20. bigboysdad

    bigboysdad Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 25, 2013
    Sydney/ London
    This has turned out to be a very useful thread, if only to highlight the importance of setting the correct Lightroom presets *before* importing raw files. It really is important if using solely Lightroom (not sure if that's the case when applying Nik plugins straight to the raw files from LR?).
     
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