Nokton 10.5mm 0.95 samples

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by tkbslc, Jun 13, 2015.

  1. tkbslc

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  2. tyrphoto

    tyrphoto Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 25, 2014
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    Judging by the samples, it looks usable only from f2 on up but really doesn't come into it's own until f2.8.
     
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  3. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    I'm not sure it's better than the wide angle adapter on the 14mm 2.5. The boke looked pretty bad and CA is all over the place.
     
  4. ijm5012

    ijm5012 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Oct 2, 2013
    Pittsburgh, PA
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    Yikes... For $1100 I'd like a little bit better performance. I can understand not being razor sharp at f/0.95, but I would want it to be better at f/1.4, and tack sharp at f/2.

    It appears to be about a stop behind that, and quite expensive for the performance it delivers.
     
  5. tyrphoto

    tyrphoto Mu-43 All-Pro

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    Just to add, judging by it's relative poor performance below f2.8, I think I'd rather buy the O7-14/2.8 at this price point.
     
  6. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Agreed. And if you wanted an ultrawide manual prime, the Kowa 8.5mm looks a lot better than this, even at f2.8+.
     
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  7. PeterB666

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  8. ijm5012

    ijm5012 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Oct 2, 2013
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Ian
    @PeterB666@PeterB666, please do give us a thorough write-up of your experience with the lens once you've had some time to put it through its paces. I'm looking forward to it!
     
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  9. PeterB666

    PeterB666 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    I will be doing a review on my blog site - hopefully within a week or so. You can see a lens size comparison to the Kowa 8.5mm and SLR Magic 12mm lenses there now... http://peterbphotos.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/voigtlander-105mm-f095.html
     
  10. ijm5012

    ijm5012 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Oct 2, 2013
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Ian
    @PeterB666@PeterB666, I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on this lens compared to the Kowa Prominar 8.5 f/2.8. I read your review on that lens, as well as some of the images you've taken with it, and they are fantastic. That appears to be a very good lens, so it'll be interesting to see how the CV 10.5 compares to that.
     
  11. tkbslc

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    Please share samples. I'm hoping that review I linked was a fluke.

    You may want to start an official sample thread with a title that doesn't make a judgment.
     
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  12. eteless

    eteless Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 20, 2014
    At a glance I don't think this lens is very well corrected into the UV range, it's sharp enough wide open in situations with no UV light (indoors) however when there's UV around it gets glowy and undefined and riddled with CA. Throwing a 2A filter on the front would probably help things a lot.

    Seems pretty good really, if you remember you're looking at an ultrawide f/0.95 lens... I think people might be expecting too much.
     
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  13. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Expectations are high because of the price and brand name. It's not THAT wide.
     
  14. ijm5012

    ijm5012 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Oct 2, 2013
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Ian
    ^ Exactly. Although it's definitely bright, it's only 21mm. Nothing like the Kowa 8.5mm, which is 17mm (although it is much slower @ f/2.8, but optically excellent). Hell, somebody recent found a patent for a Canon EF 10mm f/2.8 that isn't a fisheye. Now THAT is wide!
     
  15. eteless

    eteless Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 20, 2014
    Off the top of my head there's only three lenses close to it in spec, Nikor makes a 20mm f1.8, voit made a 21mm f1.8, and Olympus made a 21mm f2.0.

    There's good reasons that while wide lenses are common enough wide and fast are pretty rare beasts, don't kid yourself that it's not a damn fast lens for how wide it is.
     
  16. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    I don't care if it is the widest lens in the history of lenses. If it is unusable until you stop down 3-4 stops, and still has a CA problem at f5.6, there is no excuse for that. Especially when it is branded as a premium lens alongside some of the best lenses in this system. If you can't make a decent lens this wide and fast, then don't make it (and trick your customers into thinking it has premium performance by placing it in the Nokton series).

    And I'm hoping to be proven wrong with Peter B's samples.
     
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  17. bredman

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  18. Ulfric M Douglas

    Ulfric M Douglas Mu-43 Hall of Famer

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    The Viogtlanders have never been primarily about sharpness or price ... obviously :cautious:
    but rather about manual-focus feel and metal build quality.
    (Talking about nowadays)
     
  19. fredlong

    fredlong Just this guy...

    Apr 18, 2011
    Massachusetts USA
    Fred
    You may find it unusable for whatever application you're thinking of. But from the samples I've seen it's a unique lens and I'm sure someone will find a use for it.

    As for the price. It's a low volume production specialty item priced at what the market will bear. There's no deception in that.

    Fred
     
  20. jamespetts

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    It doesn't seem unuseable. It is clear that quite significant compromises had to be made to produce a lens of these specifications, and anyone buying one should be aware of what those compromises are. For many uses that do not require f/0.95, the Kawa 8.5mm or the Olympus 7-14mm may well be a better choice, but there are no doubt some specialist uses for which this lens, in spite of its compromises, will be useful (especially in video, where micro level sharpness is less important than for stills).