Nocticron v Fuji

yatesy42

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I do like my GX7 kit but these Fuji cash back deals are making a switch awful tempting!

As predominantly a 'people photographer' the Nocticron 42.5mm is tough to justify at £1150, when I can get an XE2 + 35mm 1.4 + 56mm 1.2 for a total of £1200

Does anybody here use both m43 and fuji? Or recently switched one way or the other?
 

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http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2014/03/31/the-panasonic-leica-nocticron-42-5-f1-2-lens-review-comparison/

Both the Nocticron and XF56mm are just FANTASTIC lenses. However IMHO having shot both, the Nocticron is on another level entirely. Particularly for portraits, this is the closest you will get to a Noctilux 'look' without having to spend the 11k on one. The contrast wide open, colour rendering for skin tones, sharpness.... the Nocticron genuinely looks, feels and generates images that have a very special look to them.
If I was to break down the two lenses that you mentioned - the bokeh is smoother on the Nocticron than the Fuji (however it does vignette a little more wide open) but this is great for portraits.
From a versatility perspective, the Nocticron gives up a little more shallow DOF to the XF56, but conversely it is quicker to focus, has OIS which gives at least 1 - 2 stops of stabilization, has a much closer minimum focus distance (so you can get more creative shots, wafer thin DOF shots) and has a better build.

The debate between m43 and Fuji X is another one - if you like shooting Fuji and want to stick with Fuji, the XF56mm is a world class great lens and it probably isn't worth jumping systems to benefit from the Nocticron unless you have very deep pockets. Fuji files have a different look to them and some love them and others don't. I moved from XE1 to m43 (briefly bought the XT1 and returned it because of mushy control pad) but I'm happy with m43 due to lens range, versatility and quality. If you do go Fuji and (particularly if you like portraiture) the XF56mm APD may be also worth considering. It is a more expensive version of the XF56mm but is especially designed for portraiture - although you do lose some light gathering capability for it's APD functionality.


http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Leica_DG_Nocticron_42-5mm_f1-2_H-NS043E/verdict.shtml

cameralabs said:
Let's not beat about the bush here: the Leica Nocticron is an expensive lens and only looks affordable when compared against stratospherically-priced options like the Zeiss Otus. Indeed once the Nocticron price was known, many commented it was around four times more expensive than a Canon or Nikon 85mm f1.8 which, lest we forget, were corrected for a sensor four times larger and delivered a shallower depth of field; after all the Nocticron is equivalent to 85mm f2.4 in terms of depth of field on a full-frame system.

So it's ridiculously over-priced, right? Not quite. The Nocticron may 'only' be equivalent to f2.4 for depth of field on full-frame, but in terms of exposure it's still f1.2 which gives it an extra stop over f1.8 lenses. In terms of sharpness I've not tested an 85mm equivalent at a lower price that's this good in the corners especially when wide open. There's also not many short telephotos I can think of with optical stabilisation, metal bodies, nor many which offer all of the above and work on bodies which support fast and very low light autofocusing with benefits like face and eye detection.

If you need more help justifying it, consider that in traditional terms it performs the role of not one, but two lenses: the one that excels in low light with a very shallow depth of field, and the one which delivers pin-sharp results across the frame even wide-open. These are very rarely the same lens, with the Nocticron joining an exclusive club (including the Zeiss Otus) which deliver close to uncompromised performance whatever it is you're doing, and don't attempt to come in at a low price or compact size.
 

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I've switched over from µ43 to Fuji quite recently. I sold OM-D E-M10 but kept the PEN E-P5 because of the looks of the camera. However I don't find myself using PEN a lot these days. That's more because of the form factor than anything else. I prefer Fuji X-T1 SLR form factor and controls. But µ43 as a system have smaller lenses, which sometimes is really needed and preferred.

Quality wise I don't notice that much difference that one should argue over it. Sometimes Fuji seems better and an other occasion then µ43 produces better image.

However the feeling using X-T1 and PEN E-P5 is quite different. Small things, auto-focus speed and accuracy, EVF, controls, etc. So I recommend, if possible, test how you like shooting with Fuji XE2 and your preferred µ43 camera, and decide then which to choose and invest. Using both systems is not so easy, and maintain skills and 'eye' for both systems requires some effort, IMHO. Best camera is always the one you use naturally and keep always with you, ready to shoot.
 

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I came from the Fuji side to the m43 side.

Fuji just never seemed to nail the menus, the overall camera speed and I have issues with their AF implementation.
I got the Fuji stuff after years of working with Nikon DSLRs. I still use lots of Nikon gear and the transition to Olympus was a lot less to take on than the Fuji. The Olympus EM5 just focused faster than the Fuji stuff I tested and I've been a lot more happy with the m43 gear than the Fuji.

I wrote a blog post about it here, in depth if you care to review it:
Best Light Photo Compares Fuji X100s, X-T1 and Olympus OMD EM5
 

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I've shot quite a lot of portraits with my old Canon 5D II and 85/1.2L II and I can tell you that the Nocticron will blow the 85L II out of the water. It's cheaper, smaller/lighter, sharper wide open and across the frame, has significantly less CA, focuses 10x faster and more accurately, etc, etc. The Canon at f1.2 is next to useless (to me) because (a) focussing is a hit-and-miss (because of back/front focussing issues) and (b) the DOF at f1.2 is waaaay too shallow (to me) so I rarely shoot below f2 with the Canon. The Nocticron is totally usable at f1.2 … fantastic actually.

To me, the Nocticron is the most DSLR-like lens in the m43 lens line-up.
 

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I do like my GX7 kit but these Fuji cash back deals are making a switch awful tempting!

As predominantly a 'people photographer' the Nocticron 42.5mm is tough to justify at £1150, when I can get an XE2 + 35mm 1.4 + 56mm 1.2 for a total of £1200

Does anybody here use both m43 and fuji? Or recently switched one way or the other?

I live in the UK too so I understand your interest in the Fuji deals, they look really great and Fuji always do these deals before xmas so it's tempting. I have owned a GX7 previously but I sold it because I didn't have time to take photos and it was just sitting in my cupboard depreciating so I figured I would get one when prices drop again when I have more time for photography. A few weeks ago I was able to borrow an Xe2 with the 35 1.4. It's a good camera, and I liked the design of it and the images I got were very nice. However if you like the GX7, handling speed and AF performance then I think you will be dissapointed with the XE2. You can get better noise performance in theory but handheld I found it's much harder work. Bear in mind the 1.4 has no IS, while the GX7 has 1-2 stops with IBIS, I found the GX7 AF worked much better in low light.

Some people say they prefer Fuji jpeg/colour, (however I mainly use RAW) files so that's something to bear in mind and of course you will get more background blur using longer the Fuji focal lengths.

As for the Nocticron, it looks great but at £1100 that's very expensive for a hobbist or someone doesn't don't use their camera to make money. Especially when you can buy the Olympus 45 in the UK now for £179.99 -£12.50 rebate from amazon. That's an amazing deal and I don't think the Nocticron is anything other than a marque when you consider it's competition costs 7X less, is much smaller and gives away little in terms of image quality.
 

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The Fuji optics are phenomenal, the sensor is great, but the usability and design of the cameras is enormously frustrating. I eventually decided it wasn't worth the hassle and sent my X-E2 back.
 

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I have the Nocticron and love it - but reading reviews, they seem pretty evenly matched. For me though, the fact that I have OIS is a huge advantage of the Nocticron, as I believe neither the Fuji body or lens offers stabilization.
 
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