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The real winner or losers with this Lens is Panasonic . I cant see any substantial advantage of this lens over Olympus 45 mm 1.8 at least from samples .If Panasonic manages to sell a lot they will be lucky . IMHO USD 899-999 is the best price , USD 1699 for this one ? Nah ... Doesn't matter how much we desire fast aperture of 1.2 the price is total absurd. This is not the first time Panasonic has done this . Panasonic 12-35 mm 2.8 was grossly overpriced. And now it sells for USD 999-1099 . If Olympus had had made this lens the price would have been below USD999.
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Really?! Take a look at the updated side-by-side shots that napilopez re-uploaded earlier.
There is significantly more fine detail and contrast at every aperture. I think the initial samples that were uploaded had been too compressed by Flickr so fine detail was lost. The new samples show the differences much clearer. :)



The real winner or losers with this Lens is Panasonic . I cant see any substantial advantage of this lens over Olympus 45 mm 1.8 at least from samples .If Panasonic manages to sell a lot they will be lucky . IMHO USD 899-999 is the best price , USD 1699 for this one ? Nah ... Doesn't matter how much we desire fast aperture of 1.2 the price is total absurd. This is not the first time Panasonic has done this . Panasonic 12-35 mm 2.8 was grossly overpriced. And now it sells for USD 999-1099 . If Olympus had had made this lens the price would have been below USD999.
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Hi, Thanks for giving us your opinion on this lens!
I've also picked up the lens and have so far been blown away by just how good it is. Like yourself I did not notice much CA aborration.
Probably the only part of your review that I didn't quite agree with was the build quality. The voigtlanders are fantastically well built. But the Nocticron while not quite as heavy is on another level again and is the best built lens in the m43 line up presently IMHO.
Please keep your shots coming in the sample image thread. :)
As for choosing between the Oly45 and Nocticron - they are entirely different animals. The oly 45 is a phenominal lens, particularly when you consider the price. It's (Oly45) sharp from wide open and lots of constrat and can focus extremely close. The release of the Nocticron does not change the fact that the Oly45 is a great buy. However from an IQ perspective it is not in the same ballpark as the Nocticron, nor would you expect it to be given the pricing differential. The big difference that immediately jumps out at me between the two is the level of micro contrast that the Nocticron pulls. It really is something else.
When I picked up the Nocticron I had originally planned to sell the Oly45, but now I'm planning on keeping both. They both just deliver entirely different looks and ignoring the size advantage of the Oly45, the super close focus ability does make it fun for creative experimental shots! So anybody sitting on the fence trying to decide whether to sell the Oly45 or not, my advice don't. Keep both!!
Couldn't have said it better myself! As always with these things, it's a matter of diminishing returns. Like how some people won't need an OTUS over a Sigma. The Nocticron is unquestionably the better lens here, but whether those differences matter... It's up to you. I may end up prefer the Voigtlander's "character" for my own brand of aesthetics, for example, but I can't help but be stunned by images from the Nocticron virtually every single time. I felt this way about the Olympus 75 too, but this is a bit more of a versatile focal length for portraiture, while also being faster.

It's hard to set a price on a lens when it's almost certainly the very best available for the system. While on one hand I'm sure it will come down with time, on the other other hand I feel like I'd be lying if I said it didn't deliver.

Except for the lack of weather sealing. But y'all already know my broken-record stance on that =P
 

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The real winner or losers with this Lens is Panasonic . I cant see any substantial advantage of this lens over Olympus 45 mm 1.8 at least from samples .If Panasonic manages to sell a lot they will be lucky . IMHO USD 899-999 is the best price , USD 1699 for this one ? Nah ... Doesn't matter how much we desire fast aperture of 1.2 the price is total absurd. This is not the first time Panasonic has done this . Panasonic 12-35 mm 2.8 was grossly overpriced. And now it sells for USD 999-1099 . If Olympus had had made this lens the price would have been below USD999.
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The pricing sucks for sure, and I wish it was indeed less than $1K. OTOH, that's the premium that is placed on arguably the best m4/3 lens manufactured so far. Premium products call for premium pricing -- particularly when the closest competitor is a manual focus lens that is pretty pricey too. Alas, for the time being, I will just have to keep on using the 75/1.8 to satisfy my shallow DOF cravings.
 

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Thanks for the review. But honestly is the Nocticoron worth 42.5mm 1598,-? I guess it's personal and if you're a professional it's maybe worth the buy. But you can buy a complete set of the:

75mm 1.8 (800,-) + 45mm 1.8 (310,-) + 25mm 1.8 (380,-) = 1490,- usd

and still save 100,- bucks.

After seeing the wedding pictures of SSSYURRR I now know for sure I don't need the Nocticoron.
 

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It's a want lens, not a need lens.

And it is doing its want job most impressively! Look how many feel the need to say it is overpriced! That's a sure sign of lust....

:rolleyes:
 

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''Everything is overpriced -- if you want it for less than it is worth....''

when one takes a pov to the absurd, it of course, becomes absurd. may i counter that when a thing walks like a duck, quacks and looks like a duck, the vast majority will indeed see it as a duck. there will always be those who insist it is not a duck. 'many' say it is overpriced because it is overpriced.

that is of course not in any way dispositive of whether any individual should want or buy one. it wouldnt stop me if i indeed did 'lust' for one. ive certainly bought many things in my life that were overpriced simply because i wanted them, and i feel i owe no one an explanation or justification for those purchases. i was however always honest with myself about what i was doing.
 

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Some also should just by some super zoom then ? Being honest not jerky :)
Some might be better with a 12-140 kinda lens I still want one for going to the park etc....
And one nice prime say a 17


1.2 is kinda like going 200 MPH in a car pretty tough and cost a lot
1.8 is like going 160 ? Almost anything can do it

Agreeing with ya :) had to re write a bit :)
Yeah %90 or more can skip it :)

Thanks for the review. But honestly is the Nocticoron worth 42.5mm 1598,-? I guess it's personal and if you're a professional it's maybe worth the buy. But you can buy a complete set of the:

75mm 1.8 (800,-) + 45mm 1.8 (310,-) + 25mm 1.8 (380,-) = 1490,- usd

and still save 100,- bucks.

After seeing the wedding pictures of SSSYURRR I now know for sure I don't need the Nocticoron.
 

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''Everything is overpriced -- if you want it for less than it is worth....''

when one takes a pov to the absurd, it of course, becomes absurd. may i counter that when a thing walks like a duck, quacks and looks like a duck, the vast majority will indeed see it as a duck. there will always be those who insist it is not a duck. 'many' say it is overpriced because it is overpriced.
I'm not thrilled with the price - though from the perspective that it doesn't really help m4/3 attract new users or keep existing ones - I wouldn't get one even if it were $900. That said, it's only truly overpriced if Panasonic sells fewer than they planned. Since we don't have any idea what their sales targets are, it's awfully hard to say anything one way or the other. One indication will be if they quickly start offering lens-only rebates or cutting prices. Another would be if secondhand ones sell for vastly less than MSRP.

1.2 is kinda like going 200 MPH in a car pretty tough and cost a lot
1.8 is like going 160 ? Almost anything can do it
The car analogy makes no sense to me. You can use f/1.2 basically anywhere (assuming an ND filter). The advantages over f/1.8 may not matter to you, but they're always available to be used. You can't take advantage of 200 MPH in your car (or indeed 160 MPH) unless you are on a track or on the German autobahn.
 

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I might say it helps get and keep users
Will make it easier to dump my FF quicker and make some pros look harder also at m4/3 who do not want to go down in quality
 

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well dara, i see your pov, but not sure i personally would define it that way. for example i did not in any way think the A7 was overpriced, but it is already being discounted. by your definition that woukd mean it started out overpriced, and i just dont think thats the case. i do see from a purely economic theory pov it means it was, but i personally cant get there, because there was nothing else like it on the market.
 

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I am not sure I can agree with you that pros will be able to justify this lens more than a hobbyist. On the contrary, I think it's the other way round. Who are the people who are buying high-end camera bodies and lenses from Leica, etc? It's mostly the non-pro hobbyists who can afford them and want the best "toys" that money can buy.

I don't have deep pockets and I am not willing to spend $5,000 on a lens (I could never afford a Canon great white) but I do appreciate good lenses and I am willing to invest $2,000 on any good glass … as a non-pro. Good lenses do not depreciate much, so spending $2,000 on a lens is better than spending $2,000 on a camera body that would typically depreciate by about 30% in the first year.

Thanks for the review. But honestly is the Nocticoron worth 42.5mm 1598,-? I guess it's personal and if you're a professional it's maybe worth the buy. But you can buy a complete set of the:

75mm 1.8 (800,-) + 45mm 1.8 (310,-) + 25mm 1.8 (380,-) = 1490,- usd

and still save 100,- bucks.

After seeing the wedding pictures of SSSYURRR I now know for sure I don't need the Nocticoron.
 

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Bobby agree :) if its a serious hobby look at fly fishing ? look at many things folks get into and want nice :)


I am into espresso so have a nice machine a Elektra A3 about $3000 runs on a dedicated 20 amp circuit its plumbed in both drain and water and has its own water conditioning system :)
kinda silly really but I over the years worked up to it and really enjoy it and for me its worth it ? some folks who have way more money than me think I am nuts yet they have a $12000 commercial range in there home and barely cook yet they buy some crappy black water at charbucks and when they have mine they freak they never had anything so good ?

having nice stuff is a funny thing for sure :)
 

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1.2 is kinda like going 200 MPH in a car pretty tough and cost a lot
1.8 is like going 160 ? Almost anything can do it
I think it's like putting me a formula 1 car and Fernando Alonso in a BMW M3. Both great cars but I'm sure he'll beat me in a race.

With a small (1 stop) difference it's comes down more to the one holding the camera :)
 

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yup :)

funny when SCCA came out setup the Maui chapter a guy came out for sure X pro race guy
anyway Maui has some really nice cars hidden in rich folks homes
they came out for first auto X track day I mean the best of best cars were there with there rich mainland owners going to impress the locals who came out with many ricers and a few nice basic older 911 and such
so anyway they setup the course let some folks run it and of course we know its all the driver about half way through the guy who came out from SCCA gets in his mid size rental and pushed the thing to the limits and found a little extra :) hahahahah put out the best time !!! no Porsche Ferrari etc.. beat his time was classic he gets out and says OK time for lessons ! remember its not the car !!!!

talk about funny :) ahhahahaha



I think it's like putting me a formula 1 car and Fernando Alonso in a BMW M3. Both great cars but I'm sure he'll beat me in a race.

With a small (1 stop) difference it's comes down more to the one holding the camera :)
 

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Bobby agree :) if its a serious hobby look at fly fishing ? look at many things folks get into and want nice :)


I am into espresso so have a nice machine a Elektra A3 about $3000 runs on a dedicated 20 amp circuit its plumbed in both drain and water and has its own water conditioning system :)
kinda silly really but I over the years worked up to it and really enjoy it and for me its worth it ? some folks who have way more money than me think I am nuts yet they have a $12000 commercial range in there home and barely cook yet they buy some crappy black water at charbucks and when they have mine they freak they never had anything so good ?

having nice stuff is a funny thing for sure :)
I like your analogy! I too love a good/strong cup of coffee and am considering upgrading my single-serve coffee machine from Tassimo to Nespresso. Okay, I am not quite the gourmet coffee lover that you are!
 

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So how long has it taken for some of the other items mentioned to drop in price :)43: bodies, A7R, etc.)? I have a trip coming up in July, and am crossing my fingers that the price goes down at least a little by then. :rolleyes:
 

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