Nikon / m43 User

Discussion in 'Welcomes and introductions' started by Reflector, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. Reflector

    Reflector Mu-43 Veteran

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    Aug 31, 2013
    Hello everyone,

    I decided to finally post instead of lurking around.

    Been using an OMD only for a little over two weeks now. I own a GX1, Nikon D200 and FM2n as well. Being horribly traumatized by the noise from the GX1 (A gift) and a D200 I decided to get an OMD after seeing how well the sensor handles. That and the GX1 I own is a weird preproduction model that induces gratitious amounts of shutter shock into the 14-42X; causing most of my shots to have a constant, softness to them and causing me to research what caused that. And then I became an owner an OM-D E-M5 to get around that.

    [​IMG]
    http://imageshack.us/a/img22/9417/1jlu.jpg
     
  2. migs

    migs Mu-43 Regular

    111
    Dec 24, 2012
    RVA
    welcome! also a d300s/fm2n user as well. no omd em5...yet. but my ep3 with a nice assortment of lenses is treating me just fine.
     
  3. RevBob

    RevBob Super Moderator

    Jun 4, 2011
    NorthWestern PA
    Bob
    Welcome aboard! :smile:
     
  4. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    I don't find the GX1 to be a noisy camera...
     
  5. Fmrvette

    Fmrvette This Space For Rent

    May 26, 2012
    Detroit, Michigan
    Jim
    Reflector, welcome to the forum from a former Nikonian!

    Regards,

    Jim
     
  6. Fmrvette

    Fmrvette This Space For Rent

    May 26, 2012
    Detroit, Michigan
    Jim
    O.K., here's where I have to 'fess up...

    When I read Reflector's original comment I immediately thought "Hey, the shutter on the D200 is not all that loud...".

    Duh.

    Sometimes when I'm low on coffee intake I forget that in the new world order that "noise" isn't sound...it's grain. :biggrin:

    And now I'm off to get a fresh cuppa before I forget that it isn't "ASA" anymore.

    Regards,

    Jim
     
  7. fredlong

    fredlong Just this guy...

    Apr 18, 2011
    Massachusetts USA
    Fred
    It IS still ASA, at least in my mind. It's just labelled wrong on my camera. ;)
     
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  8. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    It says ASA on the old Mamiya I just bought!
     
  9. dejongj

    dejongj Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jun 3, 2013
    Whipsnade, UK
    Jean-Paul
    Same here :)
     
  10. Reflector

    Reflector Mu-43 Veteran

    406
    Aug 31, 2013

    http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/576/kmsk.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img6/552/s2ug.jpg
    OMD = 25600
    GX1 = 12800

    Both overexposed by 1.7EV and pulled back with NR sprinkled all over the image to make the fuzz go away.

    My experience may vary greatly from your experience as my GX1 was given to me and it spent its former life as some kind of preproduction preview unit.
     
  11. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    Well if you're going to talk ISO 12,800 I'm outta here, that's not high-ISO, that's fodder for photographic navel-gazing. If you really have a need to shoot that high-sensitivity, buy a full-frame camera or ultra-fast glass. No one wants to see those embarrassing shots where the m4/3 camera shows its sensitive bits!
     
  12. Reflector

    Reflector Mu-43 Veteran

    406
    Aug 31, 2013
    Using the max limits was just a point to make, even if I used shots at 3200 the differences would be present. It was simply a comparative point.

    ...And I do have a full frame camera, its called a FM2n and I have a Nikkor 50mm f/1.2 AI-S which I plan on speedboosting later anyways. I actually have reason to using an extended iso range. See this example made from the D200:
    [​IMG]
    If I had the OMD 5 years ago, I think I would of had many more photos from that event that I could share with distant family and friends.

    If anything, the OMD preformed admirably. I mean this is in retrospect of what people call a "postage stamp" on some forums.
     
  13. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    Using the max limits doesn't make a point. Using the max limits results in being "horribly traumatized" by noise, but to slight a fine camera for that, when it is clearly not meant to be used regularly at that setting, is just pixel-peeping and silly. You're welcome to let that matter to you, I just think it's one of the more absurd things I've heard in some time.
     
  14. Reflector

    Reflector Mu-43 Veteran

    406
    Aug 31, 2013
    I don't think of it as pixel peeping when the noise becomes far too destructive for even heavy NR + downsizing to produce an usable image. There are times where you have no other option but to crank the sensor up high and take a shot. Sometimes downsizing isn't an option either and you just have to go ahead and crank yourself to the limit (See my previous post) and hope you have the shutter speed high enough that you don't have a blurred subject.

    Perhaps hyperbole doesn't translate very well over the internet. Let me summarize what happens when the lighting is less than ideal and the wind is blowing just a little on your macro subject: Put the D200 back into the bag and move on. You are not making that shot without blurring or noise that will blur the fine details on the petals and pollen. The GX1 is roughly close to the D200 in performance and the ability to recover a photo. Otherwise, I am finding that I can take shots in different circumstances that I couldn't with the D200 or GX1, many of them involving

    So I don't really understand the responses here, if anything I've been enjoying the OMD very much and this excludes some of my own criticisms of the GX1's interface and handling that I've only discussed with another photographer friend. Perhaps if I posted them there I would be accused of something else as well?

    I'll just leave this here and note that it was taken at 6400 while I was on a walk.
    [​IMG]
     
  15. davidzvi

    davidzvi Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 12, 2012
    Outside Boston MA
    David
    Ok, it's been a while since I shot a D200. And several DX & FX cameras have come since. But the GX1 seems to handle high ISO better than I remember anything before my D700s did. I don't have any direct comparison shots but you can see D300s vs GX1 samples over on DPReview. ISO between the two (GX1 & D300s) seem close.

    What you might be seeing is a combination of "preproduction preview unit" and that the D200 and E-M5 do have a higher rating on dynamic range and color depth. Those two, I think, are what you're seeing in your comparison shots (GX1 v E-M5).
     
  16. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    Yeah, the idea that the GX1 handles high ISOs like the D200 is ridiculous. I've used the D200; ISO 400 was bad. My D40 was at least two stops better than the D200 and the GX1 is about two stops better than that. Subjective figures, those, but based on plenty of usage.
     
  17. Reflector

    Reflector Mu-43 Veteran

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    Aug 31, 2013
    Go ahead and tell me this is two steps worth of difference:
    D40:
    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/ND40/FULLRES/ND40hSLI3200.HTM
    D200:
    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D200/FULLRES/D200hSL3200.HTM
    GX1:
    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/GX1/FULLRES/GX1hSLI03200NR3D.HTM

    Hypothetically the D40 should look like the D200 here:
    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D200/FULLRES/D200hSL0800.HTM

    If anything, the GX1 and OMD actually have similar (In the sense that it doesn't hit a giant, brick wall) DR at high ISO compared to the D200:
    [​IMG]

    Also I have no idea why DXO has the OMD marked at ISO 100 there. But the DR figures given there are actually accurate given how easily the D200 will blow out if sneezed on during a sunny day.
     
  18. meyerweb

    meyerweb Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Sep 5, 2011
    Shutter shock isn't an issue with the GX1, it's an issue with the 14-42X. This lens is notorious for that problem on any body.

    Well, to be accurate I should say shutter shock isn't any more of an issue with the GX1 than any other m43 camera.
     
  19. Reflector

    Reflector Mu-43 Veteran

    406
    Aug 31, 2013
    I have to disagree, there was an early production run of the GX1 shutters that happened to induce shutter shock issues moreso than the later production GX1s. Not only that: While there is a noticeable softness during specific shutter speeds, this occurs moreso on specific GX1s:

    http://www.amazon.com/review/R33BVZHBL0LBFB/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R33BVZHBL0LBFB
    http://www.wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/pz14-42/

    mtf50_shutter_42mm_1000.
     

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