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New Report States That Only Canon, Nikon, and Sony Will Survive in the Camera Market

Discussion in 'Back Room' started by TPiorkowski, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. fortwodriver

    fortwodriver Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Nov 15, 2013
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Frank
    Hahah... Already The Nikon D1 is seen as "retro" by some young folk... ;-)
     
  2. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    New technology doesn't equate to "better".
    Case in point: VHS was newer than Betamax & ultimately killed Betamax- but most felt the older "Betamax" was better.
     
  3. fortwodriver

    fortwodriver Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Nov 15, 2013
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Frank
    VHS was also cheaper and more economical.
     
  4. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Interesting you said this because in other threads, another user here has demonstrated that MFT is not cheaper or more economical than entry & mid-level DSLRs
     
  5. dougjgreen

    dougjgreen Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 5, 2013
    San Diego
    Doug Green
    That's the Olympus mindset - we make our stuff "better", so there's no need to properly market it, nor price it competitively.
     
  6. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Case in point:
    -Nikon D3200=$495 USD
    -Nikon 35 ƒ1.8 = $196 USD
    -Nikon 50 ƒ1.8 = $217 USD
    -Nikoon 55-300 = $396 USD
     
  7. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    And Olympus has had more problems being in the "red".
    Back to Nikon, it's amazing they've survived this long in that unlike Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, or Olympus, Nikon doesn't have a major other division to hold them afloat...
     
  8. fortwodriver

    fortwodriver Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Nov 15, 2013
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Frank
    Yeah, well, I didn't enter join the m43 crowd to save money or be more economical.

    I do find some of the lenses and accessories on sale more often than other formats though. But (since I have the E-M1) it's mostly the same cost as my Canon gear. Of course there's also the software I've purchased to make my digital darkroom. Going to m43 didn't change that either.
     
  9. fortwodriver

    fortwodriver Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Nov 15, 2013
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Frank
    Don't they produce rather large stepper machines for the VLSI chip industry?
     
  10. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    And some folks who choose to stick with DSLRs don't care about size or weight. :smile:
     
  11. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Not sure but that being said & for sake of discussion, let's say that they do...
    How does that division compare to Olympus medical instruments or Canon's copying business, or Sony, Samsung, & Panasonic electronics?
     
  12. bikerhiker

    bikerhiker Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Dec 24, 2013
    Canada
    David
    Nikon Imaging is the most profitable division and in fact somewhat funding the stepper motors as it goes through tough economic times. They also have a Nikon Optical division (eye glass wears), but that too is not a significant part either. Nikon is one of the companies of the Mitsubishi Group, a rather huge conglomerate with a solid financial backing.
     
  13. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Yes, true here...
     
  14. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 10, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
    My Mom picked up a Samsung Galaxy 4 phone and I have to admit...the camera on that phone has images that rival Olympus SOOC!
     
  15. jnewell

    jnewell Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 23, 2011
    Boston, MA
    The future is uncertain. Within my lifetime (barely), 35mm was considered a largely amateur format, not suitable for professional photo work. Look at photos of JFK that include the press photographers. You see lots of Speed Graphics and Rollei TLRs, not so many Leicas or, perish the though, Nikon SLRs. I am confident that my great grandfather thought that celluloid was a passing fad and that glass negatives would rule forever.


     
  16. robbie36

    robbie36 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 25, 2010
    Bangkok
    rob collins
    You know I am not really convinced by this argument. It seems to me that in many respects M43 is a pretty mature system - there certainly isnt much wrong with an E-M1 and there is an extremely broad range of lens options - essentially mirrorless has caught up in functionality. Despite this, mirrorless has lost market share to DSLRs in Japan, Europe and the Americas over the past year. And within mirrorless, M43 has lost market share to other formats, As an aside, looking at the age demographics of the dpreview.com website and the fact that M43 seems incredibly popular there, would seem to point to the fact that it is the over 60s who are the ones buying M43.
     
  17. Fmrvette

    Fmrvette This Space For Rent

    May 26, 2012
    Detroit, Michigan
    Jim
    Aaaaaand...that would be me :biggrin:.

    Regards,

    Jim
     
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  18. Itchybiscuit

    Itchybiscuit Photon Mangler

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    Dec 10, 2013
    Glasgow, Scotland
    Ivor
    Well that was ten pages of thoroughly enjoyable waffle.

    I wonder if the Japanese companies who actually have a financial stake in the future of m4/3 know better?
    Hands up all those who are either CEO's or CFO's of Panasonic/Olympus? :wink:
     
  19. Fmrvette

    Fmrvette This Space For Rent

    May 26, 2012
    Detroit, Michigan
    Jim
    Aaaaaand...that would be not me . :biggrin:

    Regards,

    Jim
     
  20. robbie36

    robbie36 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 25, 2010
    Bangkok
    rob collins
    The concept that the CEO of Olympus 'knows better' is one of the most ridiculous in Japanese Corporate History.

    As for really putting any faith in the management of a company that has seen its digital imaging revenues fall 75 percent over the last 5 years and where losses from imaging have average US$100m a year - it wouldnt be too advisable. Could management have actually done worse?
     
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