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Discussion in 'Panasonic Cameras' started by Phil66, May 9, 2012.

  1. Phil66

    Phil66 Mu-43 Regular

    130
    Dec 27, 2011
    Hello everyone. I've put some pics on again, please tear them to pieces re composition, exposure etc. They are a varied bunch.
    All taken hand held with the 20mm lens on my G3.
    Thanks.

    TORQUAY 1
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil66/7160333026/" title="P1020145 by PhilDY6, on Flickr"> 7160333026_2b8ec11a97_b. "1024" height="684" alt="P1020145"></a>

    TORQUAY 2
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil66/7160343474/" title="P1020143 by PhilDY6, on Flickr"> 7160343474_5f5e51189a_b. "1024" height="684" alt="P1020143"></a>

    TORQUAY 3
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil66/7160362640/" title="P1020120 by PhilDY6, on Flickr"> 7160362640_c4a9517bed_b. "1024" height="684" alt="P1020120"></a>

    CASTLE DROGO 1
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil66/7160132698/" title="P1010848 by PhilDY6, on Flickr"> 7160132698_70c59e08ef_b. "1024" height="685" alt="P1010848"></a>

    CASTLE DROGO 2
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil66/7160276236/" title="P1010926 by PhilDY6, on Flickr">[​IMG]"1024" height="684" alt="P1010926"></a>

    CASTLE DROGO 3
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil66/7160268258/" title="P1010871 by PhilDY6, on Flickr"> 7160268258_498f3e09d8_b. "684" height="1024" alt="P1010871"></a>

    CASTLE DROGO 4
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil66/7160284032/" title="P1010933 by PhilDY6, on Flickr"> 7160284032_76c90cb62a_b. "1024" height="684" alt="P1010933"></a>

    DROGO LANDSCAPE 1
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil66/7160304690/" title="P1020045 by PhilDY6, on Flickr"> 7160304690_b7701f8ee8_b. "1024" height="684" alt="P1020045"></a>

    DROGO LANDSCAPE 2
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil66/7160383252/" title="P1020041 by PhilDY6, on Flickr"> 7160383252_210bf7378a_b. "1024" height="684" alt="P1020041"></a>

    DROGO LANDSCAPE 3
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil66/7160294588/" title="P1020034 by PhilDY6, on Flickr"> 7160294588_04870e9ce7_b. "1024" height="684" alt="P1020034"></a>
     
  2. ssgreenley

    ssgreenley Mu-43 Top Veteran

    509
    May 12, 2011
    I love the detail shots! Those are always the challenge with my travel shots and I appreciate when someone captures them well. (Are Castle Drogo 2 and 5 the same image?)
     
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  3. Phil66

    Phil66 Mu-43 Regular

    130
    Dec 27, 2011
    Yes, sorry. I've removed it now.

    Cheers

    Phil
     
  4. Johnytuono

    Johnytuono Mu-43 Regular

    137
    Feb 10, 2012
    Lancs., UK
    Hi
    My fave is CASTLE DROGO 4, I also like the horses shot (2 or 5 are the same?). The fishing nets are good too with the contrasting colours. On the landscape shots i think hte lighting lets the subject material down as it makes the image look flat. The church/cathedral looks good as in a sense of new and old structures framed well.
    Nice work Phil!
    JohnyT
     
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  5. sLorenzi

    sLorenzi Mu-43 Top Veteran

    586
    Sep 15, 2010
    Brazil
    Sidinei
    Castle Drogo 2 is my favorite. Light is very beautiful. But IMO the entire set is nice.
     
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  6. David A

    David A Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 30, 2011
    Brisbane, Australia
    I'll vote for Castle Drogo 3 and the second Drogo landscape.

    Your exposure choices seem much better and every one of these shots looks much more assured than any of those you were posting in your earlier threads when you were asking for advice. I think you're really starting to get a feel for how to deal with exposure choices and what you can do with the camera. You should be very happy with what you're starting to achieve.
     
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  7. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    hmmmm

    all the images are flat/low contrast for my tastes.

    also don't be afraid to crop you pictures to remove elements that distract

    the fishing nets and the valve thing would benefit from cropping

    Landscapes are not my thing... but to make them work you need to make the composition more compelling...its not easy to capture your brains wow of a landscape int a photo... you have to work on leading the eye through an image

    K
     
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  8. Phil66

    Phil66 Mu-43 Regular

    130
    Dec 27, 2011
    What do you mean "valve thing"? If you mean Castle Drogo 4, it is a stylus on an old gramaphone.

    Re the cropping. I am not posting these pictures as final compositions. I'm posting straight out of the camera as this is the skill I want to develop.

    I understand your comments about landscapes though, it was particularly hard as it was a cloudy day.

    What settings do I change to improve contrast in camera? There wasn't much contrast with the light available so they are fairly accurate representations of the light on the day.

    Cheers

    Phil
     
  9. phrenic

    phrenic Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 13, 2010
    Nice shots, and it's always nice seeing someone who wants feedback to improve.

    I like the varied nature of shots..always nice when you're remembering an area. My fav is probably the machinery shot..is that a record player?

    Composition/framing wise, there's lots of visually distracting pieces. Like in torquay 2 with the pole and green wire, it takes away from the image. If you moved in closer, you could capture the main scene behind it better.

    For Castle Drogo 1 the composition isn't working for me. I think it's the balance. You are cutting off something on the left, but not the right. (Not to mention the distracting tree branches). I would have liked to have seen you move closer to fill the frame with that section of the castle. Or conversely used a wider angle lens or stepped back to capture the whole scene, or at least it evenly.

    Just my 2c! :smile:
     
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  10. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    apologies for the valve thing....i should have spotted the 'his masters voice'

    no idea how to improve contrast in camera... i shoot RAW only and I am not going to open that can of worms here !! :)

    While I understand the challenge to get 'exposure' right in the camera is a valid one... its all kind of pointless if you can't capture images that remain more interesting than your individual memory

    however ...composition is the magic sauce that makes a photo interesting

    taking a photograph and being a photographer are two different things

    cheers
    K
     
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  11. Phil66

    Phil66 Mu-43 Regular

    130
    Dec 27, 2011
    Thanks for your input.

    With Torquay 2 I wanted the pole and cable to frame the church. The angle of the cable almost matches the lines of the church. In fact I wish I could've got further back to get the apex of the cable and pole.

    I see you point with the castle I'll look out for that in future. I couldn't get it all in as that's just under a third of the building. I was thinking of showing the end to show it was the end.

    Thanks

    Phil
     
  12. phrenic

    phrenic Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 13, 2010
    Cool, it makes more sense now. Hehe for this sort of outdoor, non-studio photography it's all about the compromises and what you have on hand/where you can get to.
     
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  13. Just Jim

    Just Jim Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 20, 2011
    I think your shots are improving. Especially just the general composition. You should really try a polarizing filter for your outdoor shots, probably the easist fix through out your landscapes. The close ups are well done, you could tweak them by shallowing up the DoF, but that's only subjective, so whatever.

    Also some quick PP for ya. I have a sneaking suspicion my monitor is a bit messed up with the color... but hopefully the idea comes across.
     

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  14. tdekany

    tdekany Mu-43 All-Pro

    Dec 8, 2011
    Oregon
    My favorite is the first picture. Very Olympus like blue and sharp. Your pictures ARE improving indeed.
     
  15. Phil66

    Phil66 Mu-43 Regular

    130
    Dec 27, 2011
    Thanks for all of your comments. Sorry I haven't been on much of late. I went out and took some pics on Saturday and all the way home I had a bad stomach, Saturday night I couldn't sleep, Sunday morning I was doubled up in pain sitting in the out of hours doctors surgery, Sunday afternoon I was having emergency operation to remove ruptured appendix.

    Justjim, you mention shallowing up the depth of field. I had my 20mm set to f1.7 which is its max aperture. Should I use a different lens? It's all new to me.

    Thanks

    Phil
     
  16. Just Jim

    Just Jim Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 20, 2011
    Got ya. a 20mm focal length isn't going to slice the DoF to where I like it. My bad. As the focal length increases the DoF will get decrease. kind of... getting into the math of it is a bit much, but that's the basic effect that a viewer will notice. I'm sure it's worded eloquently somewhere on the internet. Google up things like DoF, circle of confusion if you have time for that rabbit hole as you'll likely end up with more questions then you started with... and it just may be a bit too esoteric when you realize the basic effect.

    Hope you feel better soon.