New PanaLeica Prime Lens Coming, What Do You Think It Is?

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by ijm5012, Mar 22, 2016.

  1. ijm5012

    ijm5012 Mu-43 Legend

    Oct 2, 2013
    Pittsburgh, PA
    So, the rumor site has it on good authority that Panasonic will announce a new Leica-branded prime lens here in April. Since they don't have any info on what it may be, I figured that it would be a good time for us to speculate on what it could be.

    My thoughts are:
    • An updated 25mm f/1.4 that is built like the PL15 & PL42.5, metal body with an aperture ring.
    • 67.5 f/1.7. Will someone actually release a 135mm FoV lens for m43? Who know, possibly. I would guess the aperture would be f/1.7 like the PL15, as f/1.4 or f/1.2 seems quite large for a lens of that focal length.
    • 17.5 f/1.4 or 1.2. Maybe they'll actually release a fast, autofocusing 35mm FoV lens, something that many of us have been clamoring for for a while now.
    Any other thoughts on what the next PL prime lens will be?
  2. StefanKruse

    StefanKruse Mu-43 Veteran

    Jan 28, 2015
    Maybe they will go wider than their 14mm prime? that would be my bet.

    But your second and third options are solid bets as well - I dont think number 1 will happen just now, but then who knows?
  3. Speedliner

    Speedliner Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Mar 2, 2015
    Southern NJ, USA
    Is it worth releasing a new prime that isn't a fast prime? How about a modern, telephoto prime like a 150,f2 or 180,f2.8. Whatever it is, I hope it fills a gap and isn't redundant with another good lens.
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  4. bigboysdad

    bigboysdad Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 25, 2013
    Sydney/ London
    Yet another 25mm?
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  5. robcee

    robcee Mu-43 Veteran

    Jan 10, 2016
    New Brunswick, Canada
    Rob Campbell
    I'd love to see an updated PL25mm. Maybe an f1.0 just to blow the doors off everyone else.

    17.5 would be lovely, but feel like it's too close to the 15 maybe? Still wouldn't turn one down.

    How about a 10mm to cover the wide end? Would love that.
  6. hazwing

    hazwing Mu-43 All-Pro

    Nov 25, 2012
    25mm f1.4 released in silver and matte texture =p
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  7. NoSeconds

    NoSeconds Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    300mm f/3.5 X just to put the wind up Olympus...?

    10mm f/0.95 AF would put me out of my misery though...
  8. sammykhalifa

    sammykhalifa Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Jun 22, 2012
    Pittsburgh PA
    My guess was 100mm Macro.
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  9. ean10775

    ean10775 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 31, 2011
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Panasonic (Leica-branded or not) doesn't have any primes longer than 45mm. I think something in the 60mm-100mm range would make sense, but I'm guessing its an updated 25mm.
  10. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Legend

    There was a 150mm f2.8 shown on the same roadmap as the 42.5mm f1.2 back in 2013. We got the 42.5mm a while ago, so 150mm is a definite possibility.

    They even showed a mockup:


    Although the 42.5mm didn't end up looking anything like it's mockup, so who knows:

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  11. MaK543

    MaK543 Mu-43 Regular

    May 1, 2012
    MD USA
    The PL25 needs to be updated for faster AF, OIS, and metal barrel. I hope a 10.5mm would come before 18mm and 67.5mm.
    The PL45 also needs to be updated, but it's probably a very low priority for Panasonic.
  12. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Legend

    That would be nice, but does it "need" it? It's still the highest end 25mm in the system so not much incentive until Olympus releases something faster than the 1.8.
  13. Joe Smith

    Joe Smith Mu-43 Veteran

    Mar 6, 2016
    Well, this is certainly a matter of opinion, unless you define "high-end" as "speed".
  14. ijm5012

    ijm5012 Mu-43 Legend

    Oct 2, 2013
    Pittsburgh, PA
    I agree that I don't think the PL25 NEEDS an update, but it's certainly a possibility. Panasonic is really working on harmonizing the exterior design of their lenses. All of their new lenses have the same, matte black exterior with grey font (14mm II, 14-42 II, 45-150, 14-140 II, 25mm, etc.), while all of the recent PanaLeica lenses have the same metal exterior, with a metal focus ring, while the primes have an aperture ring.

    The outlier here is the PL25, which could possibly be "updated" to fall in line with the rest of the PanaLeica lens designs, while also updating the optics as well.

    I agree that I don't think it's necessary, but then again we don't need 7 versions of a 14-42 kit zoom, but someone we have that in the m43 system. An updated PL25 isn't out of the realm of possibilities...
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  15. ijm5012

    ijm5012 Mu-43 Legend

    Oct 2, 2013
    Pittsburgh, PA
    If that's how you define it, then the CV25mm is even more "high-end".
  16. gravijaflare

    gravijaflare Mu-43 Veteran

    Aug 28, 2014
    A planet called Gaia
    i also think it would be a remake of the 25mm f1.4, though i'm wishing they would also update the 20mm f1.7 with a faster af motor. :)
  17. riverr02

    riverr02 Mu-43 Veteran

    May 2, 2011
    New York
    At first I thought, why do we need another 25mm?!? But I think it could make sense for Panasonic. Here's why I think it could make sense, and why if they were to do so, it would behoove them to beat Olympus out of the gate.

    The primary reason I got a FF system was to increase subject isolation and decrease depth of field. I was excited when I heard a rumor about Olympus' 1.0 primes, which in a 25mm would correspond to a nifty fifty at 2.0 for depth of field. That was close enough to a 1.8 to make things interesting to me, but then I heard it was going to be a 1.2 I ultimately went with a 1.4 FF lens.

    If Panasonic were to somehow make a 1.0 lens and bring it to market before Olympus, they could capture market share that would be unavailable to them if they were to bring a 1.0 or a 1.2 lens to market after Olympus' offering. Reason for that would be that I believe there's a definite bias/preference towards Olympus on this forum based on the number of posts for each system. As a result, Olympus has to (1) beat them to market with (2) an offering that most would objectively see as offering tangible benefits over the yet to be released alternative. Offering a 1.2 lens might cannibalize some of Olympus' future sales, but not to the same extent as an 1.0 option.

    Granted, a 1.0 lens would be large and I'm sure there will be folks who would wait for an Olympus branded lens regardless of the speed benefits. But I think there could be a market for a 25 1.0 lens, even if all that said I'd prefer a 17.5 1.0 ; )
  18. riverr02

    riverr02 Mu-43 Veteran

    May 2, 2011
    New York
    Would buy that lens in a heartbeat if they offered it!
  19. SojiOkita

    SojiOkita Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 23, 2014
    I'm not sure the point of micro four thirds is to compete with 24x36 in subject isolation and shallow dof.
    A 25 mm f/1.0 would be huge and expensive... the body+lens probably ending up to be larger and more expensive than a 24x36 + 50 mm f/1.4.
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  20. SojiOkita

    SojiOkita Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 23, 2014
    If so, I'm glad I have the current 25 f/1.4.
    I like the look of the 15 & 42.5, but I hate aperture rings (especially when they are positionned as in the PL15 & PL42.5).
    However, even if I don't like the idea, that would definitely make sense.
    I just hope they would consider this as an update, not as a new lens.

    A good 17.5 f/1.4 would be nice if it isn't too big. Unfortunely it's very unlikely as there is already the 15 mm.
    I'd vote for somehing out of the 15-25-42.5 range.
    A good wide angle lens like a 10 mm, not more than f/1.7 to stay compact, but it's very unlikely too ;)
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