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New 4/3 body and lens for a trip to Italy...

Discussion in 'This or That? (MFT only)' started by PJwebbs, Jun 5, 2014.

  1. PJwebbs

    PJwebbs Mu-43 Rookie

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    Nov 10, 2013
    In August i'll be going to Italy for 2 weeks, I heading to the Amalfi coast and seeing all the sights there. I currently own both a 4/3 set up and DSLR set up but after going to Wales for a few days I was soooo fed up of carrying the bulk of a DSLR around. As for my 4/3 set up, I seem to have little confidence in its ability. I currently have a GF1, 20mm 1.7 and 45 1.8. My issue is that for travelling I would like a zoom that goes wide (wider than my 17-50 for my DSLR) and a body that i can be confident in using over iso800 and has an EVF that's good, I really like a viewfinder.

    I have been looking at a G3 or G5 and an Olympus 9-18mm. Is a 12-32 any good? Seems a nice range but is 12mm wide enough? is 18mm long enough? I would probably take 2 lens with me tops.

    Thanks for the help!
     
  2. barry13

    barry13 Super Moderator; Photon Wrangler

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    Barry
    Hi, do you care about weather-sealing?

    I'll be taking my E-M1, 12-40 Pro, 9mm fisheye BCL, and 17mm f1.8 to Europe this summer... the 9mm (small enough for a jean pocket) will be for anything too wide for the 12-40, and the 17mm will be for indoor or night shots.

    The 12-40 is weather-sealed, as is the cheaper 12-50mm. Both also have some macro capability.
    However, they're not as small as some of the other zooms.

    Barry
     
  3. mario23

    mario23 Mu-43 Regular

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    May 9, 2014
    FL
    I would take the same as Barry. The 12-40 for walk qround. The 17 1.8 for indoors and low light like cathedrals and some street. The 9 would be fun in all sorts of places like subways and buildings maybe. 12 is pretty wide but I like the option of going wider though I won't use it much. I've been to Italy a few times and this combo would work great.

    Sent from my SM-T520 using Tapatalk
     
  4. biomed

    biomed Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 22, 2013
    Seattle area
    Mike
    My old travel kit was the GF1, 20/1.7 and the 14/2.5. This resulted from my using RF cameras prior to switching to u4/3. Today I would probably take my GX7 and 12-35/2.8. For most of my travel photos 12mm is more than wide enough. I have taken my 7-14 zoom but rarely used it. If I were going to take any more lenses I would include the 25/1.4 and 35/100/2.8. My photos from last month were mainly taken with the 35-100. This includes both indoor and outdoor photos. I never guessed that would be the case! One thing I do not leave behind is my light weight carbon fiber tripod.
     
  5. jziegler

    jziegler Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 15, 2012
    Salem County, New Jersey
    James
    You have the 45mm already, and that paired with the 9-18 would be my most likely 2 lens kit for Europe, were I to travel that light (which I'm not likely to do). I have a G3, and feel comfortable with it up to 1600 ISO, so it would probably meet your need for that. The G5 is a little bit better in pretty much every way (but is a bit bigger). 12mm would be better than the 17mm you had for your DSLR, but when I've been to Eurpoe, I have always wanted wide more than long. I'd feel pretty good about a 9-18 as a daytime walk around lens in most places I've been to in Europe.
     
  6. emorgan451

    emorgan451 Mu-43 Veteran

    I'm heading to Italy/Europe for 10 days in a few weeks and I'm taking my E-M5, 12-40, 40-150, 45 1.8, and 17 2.8 (all my m4/3 gear since it's so small...lol). If I feel the need to go without my bag on a tour or something I'm taking the 12-40 and putting the 45 in my pocket. I got the 12-40 for this trip and have been using if for a month, and I can already tell that it's going to be glued to my camera unless i need the extra stop & background separation of the 45 or the reach of the 40-150. I would whole heartedly recommend it especially if you can get it used/refurb.

    I see you are looking at panasonic bodies, so a panasonic lens with OIS would be beneficial. I've heard good things about the 12-32 and it's tiny if that's what you are going for. For the way I shoot a 12-40 type zoom is a much better travel lens than a UWA zoom since I see that range naturally. I have a hard time with UWA, but many people swear by it especially for the architecture.

    If i was forced to only take two lenses, one prime you already have and a zoom to be purchased it would be the 20 1.7 and either 12-40 Oly or 12-35 panasonic (depending on camera body brand). My suggestion would be to take 3 lenses, the 20 and 45 you have and the tiny 12-32.

    Just curious why the G3 and G5?

    Sorry for the rambling answer (it's time for bed here...lol), but I hope it helps. Let us know what you decide.
     
  7. bassman

    bassman Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Apr 22, 2013
    New Jersey
    Scott
    I just came back from Croatia, which offers similar photographic options. For zooms I had three: 9-18, 12-35 and 45-150/4.0-5.6. I was very happy with all three on my E-M1, and shot with the first two most often. I never missed going wider than the 9-18, and would have missed having it. But more shots were with the 12-35.
     
  8. HarryS

    HarryS Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jun 23, 2012
    Midwest, USA
    I don't think the G3 has the ISO you want, and the G5 is like carrying around a little DSLR. Why not look at the GX7, with its EVF and the latest Panasonic sensor. Put the 12-32 on it with the 20mm and 45mm and you've got a light combo.
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  9. Slim

    Slim Mu-43 Veteran

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    Nov 7, 2013
    You could look for a gx1. I would go with the two zooms mentioned. The 9-something and the 12-32.

    Sent from my SM-N9005 using Mu-43 mobile app
     
  10. PJwebbs

    PJwebbs Mu-43 Rookie

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    Nov 10, 2013
    Thanks for the mass of suggestions! I think I forgot to mention money is a massive option. The holiday is so darn expensive that I reckon I could just about manage to spend £350-400 on extra camera gear, which unfortunately rules out pro zooms and the amazing but expensive gx7.

    I'm looking at the G3/5 due to them having the same sensor as the great GX1 but having the advantage of an EVF, which I feel I need (really miss it on the GF1) , and I like the idea of a tilt/swivel screen.

    Is the G5 too large? But if it's superior to the G3 for only a couple of extra quid then could that be the one? I think they're only around £160 secondhand giving me £200-£250 to choose my zoom.....
     
  11. orfeo

    orfeo Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sep 27, 2013
    FR
    GX7 with 7-14mm is pretty wider than your DSLR previous kit...
     
  12. jziegler

    jziegler Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 15, 2012
    Salem County, New Jersey
    James
    Coming from a DSLR, the G5 is still pretty small, and pricing on it can be really good right now. I think it would be the best value with a built in viewfinder right now.

    What DLSR brabd do you have? You mention 17-50, and the FOV on that varies a good bit between Canon and other APS-c DSLRs. On Canon, the 17 would equal just a hair wider than 14mm on m43, but on the others, it get closer to 12mm (but not quite there) on m43. If you're used to the Canon 17mm, than a 12mm might be wide enough. If you've used Nikon or Pentax, wider than 12mm is really what you want, and then the 9=18mm or 7.5mm fish would be the smallest, cheapest way to get there.

    Also, take a look at what focal lengths you use on your last trip, and use that to help you pick your lenses. Running a program like exposure plot (http://www.vandel.nl/exposureplot.html) can help out with this (jpeg only though). If you use Lightroom, you can do some analysis with the metadata filtering options. Mining that data can really tell you what you're using most with your current setup, and point if you need wider, longer, faster aperture, etc.
     
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  13. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    E-M5 and 12-40 or 12-3 + 75 if you like long or 9-18 if you like wide.
     
  14. bassman

    bassman Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Apr 22, 2013
    New Jersey
    Scott
    Here's the actual usage data from my trip of 1,425 total images (there were actually more taken, but I've already deleted some loosers):
    17/1.8 - 93 / 6.5%
    45/1.8 - 85 / 6.0%
    9-18/4.0-5.6 - 219 / 15.4%
    12-35/2.8 - 790 / 55.4%
    40-150/4.0-5.6 - 190 / 13.3%

    76 of the images taken with the 9-18 were at focal lengths 12-18 and therefore could have been taken with the 12-35. So that lens could have covered about 60% of my shooting. Also, about 1/2 of the 40-150 shots were at 80mm or less, and might have been an acceptable crop from the 45.
     
  15. PJwebbs

    PJwebbs Mu-43 Rookie

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    Nov 10, 2013
    I have a Pentax set up so slightly wider than a Canon. I feel like that isn't wide enough some times, I could have done with a bit more at the wide end in my recent trip to Wales... The 12-32 does look like the sensible option but I seem to pine for a wider angle....

    I think a G5 would be the body for me.
     
  16. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    How about the 9mm BCL for wide when you want to go wider than 12?
     
  17. PJwebbs

    PJwebbs Mu-43 Rookie

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    Nov 10, 2013
    Isn't that a fish eye though? Wouldn't things look super distorted?
     
  18. PJwebbs

    PJwebbs Mu-43 Rookie

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    Nov 10, 2013
  19. jziegler

    jziegler Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 15, 2012
    Salem County, New Jersey
    James
    It's a lot bigger, won't AF as well, and needs an adaptor to work at all (adding more size and cost). The M.Zukio 9-18 is really what you want. If it ends up out of your price range, maybe a wide angle converter for one of the kit lenses? The Panasonic converter has had pretty good reviews on the lenses that it fits. There's also a converter from Olympus for their 14-42 II lens.
     
  20. PJwebbs

    PJwebbs Mu-43 Rookie

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    Nov 10, 2013
    What would the wide mile converter do to a 12-32? What would it make the wide end?