My personal thoughts about Robin Wong's blog (comments welcome)

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Criticism is the activity of judging the the merits and faults of something or some one.

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Edited to add: Thats what I was taught as a child. The meaning may have changed in the intervening 40 years.
That is constructive criticism that you explain the problematic areas and then explain the resolution to improve them,

A good teacher doesn't need to point faults at all to boost student to fix own faults.
 

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If he is paid by a manufacturer he should disclose this, not hide it. Anything else is dishonest. Apologists for unethical practices are sad.

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If he is paid by a manufacturer he should disclose this, not hide it. Anything else is dishonest. Apologists for unethical practices are sad.

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I'm so confused by this post. First, what does "End of." even mean? Second, what's the point here? The only conclusion that occurs to me--which is likely the wrong one since, as I wrote, I don't understand the post--is that he/she didn't even read Wong's blog before complaining about it.

Weird.
 

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Wouldn't that be praise, as opposed to criticism?

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Praise is without reasoning and explanation why it is so. Like someone say "the image quality is best" or even just "it has good image quality" without explaining it, comparing it to others to validate the claim. Praise is open or should it be said "vulnerable" to criticism as people who praise something, rarely have thought it out why they like so.
 

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Well phooey! This is totally disappointing. TWO threads on the Panasonic/Olympus (or to put it another way the Olympus/Panasonic) nifty-fifty equivalent lenses and an online paper (Ha! See what I did there? I avoided the "R" word!) by Robin Wong and it appears that I'm going to have to do something that is totally unacceptable, something that I always try to avoid doing.

I'm going to have to use intelligence backed by experience* and make up my own mind about which lens, if either, is best for me.

Rats. Totally unfair. We're years and years down the road of the Indgernet and I shouldn't have to do that anymore.

I'm absolutely complaining to Management.

Anybody have the email address of the guy who oversees the Indgernet handy??? And I'm not fooling around either, I'm going to use All Caps and the Red Font!

:biggrin:

With tongue firmly in cheek while I grin, duck, and run verra verra fast...

Regards,

Jim

*(With apologies to Nero Wolfe and Archie for coining their phrase).
 

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Praise is without reasoning and explanation why it is so. Like someone say "the image quality is best" or even just "it has good image quality" without explaining it, comparing it to others to validate the claim. Praise is open or should it be said "vulnerable" to criticism as people who praise something, rarely have thought it out why they like so.
While I do not take objection with how you have defined praise, I personally try to offer up any praise with validation. Otherwise, it just seems insincere, and that is just not my style.

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In my personal opinion, people who are professional reviewers should act at least most professionally and fairly and should try to inspire people to become good photographers with the help of good information. When you start delving into attacking other reviewers, namely DPReview as far back as in 2010, then of course, you are going to get something back. It's called an eye for an eye.

Here's what Robin Wong said way back in 2010..

Some people have speculated that E-PL1 image quality is better than E-5, no thanks to those unreliable and unjust laboratory tests and comparison shots posted by DPreview. E-PL1 is not even close to anything from E-5, and there should never be a comparison in the first place.

These are his words.

Again, it's very convenient to play victim in the wake of his recent review when he conveniently forgot that he did the same to DPreview and its loyal fans. It's easy to criticize others, only to now as as a victim of your own doing -- reviewing 2 lenses that he felt should not be done in the first place.

When you decide to go on a path on pointing fingers at others, you have chosen the path of conflict, because as what you do on to others, others will always do on to you! That's how a war gets started in the first place. He will need to learn this wisdom.
What hypocritical nonsense. Robin is entitled to his opinion about the DPR comparison, and he always expresses his views carefully and politely. He's simply expressing an opinion which you may not agree with. That is not an attack. If you or anyone else at DPR disagrees, you are equally entitled to have your say. But here is the problem - it seems that some contributors over there sometimes lack those all-important human attributes which are in abundance here - politeness, balance, and understanding. Hence the lynch mobs, the abuse, the name hurling. And it's a shame, because that site can be fascinating at times, full of the kind of technical information and explanations one may not find elsewhere, and amongst the bullies there are also some wonderful people who stick around, hoping to make DPR a better place.

I have considerable experience of DPR, and the consequences of publishing something their members don't like. To explain my reaction, back in 2011 I posted a positive account on my blog of a Fuji camera, simply my experiences as a user, with plenty of real-world photographs. One unfortunate evening, I discovered that a link had been placed to my blog on DPR. I was vilified, slandered, threatened, my website was attacked and brought down, my business suffered, my clients suffered, I received vile hate mail for many weeks. The "moderators" ignored my pleas for removal of the damaging comments. In the end, the vendetta became too much even for some of the DPR members, they got together and petitioned the forum to remove the thread, for my own safety. I'm sure you will regard that as just retribution for daring to have a different view to DPR - but I see it as something very different. More recently, after another article I wrote went viral, the hate mail returned, originating from ...... no prizes for guessing. I've had to shut down the comments facility on my blog permanently as a result.

Thanks to the fallout from DPR on these occasions, I stopped commenting on equipment for quite some time, but recently I've decided to take the risk since I am as entitled to have a voice as anybody else. I will even occasionally post over at DPR, in the more levelheaded sections. I feel very sorry for Robin Wong, because if he is having to make a follow-up post declaring that he is reluctant to provide any more comparisons, then you can bet your life he has received some pretty shoddy attention.

I do wish this discussion would stop, I'm finding it very unsettling. Frankly, if some of you are that interested in lens comparisons (or whatever) then I suggest you buy your own equipment and test it yourself, instead of bleating about other people's 'flawed results'. That way there is no disputing the integrity of the reviewer (said with tongue firmly in cheek).

I'm sorry to speak so bluntly, but I don't think many people here will realise just how unpleasant it can be when a person is singled out like this, it never really goes away. Get a grip everyone, we're talking about stupid cameras, not the end of the world as we know it.
 

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There's been too much flaming over the Robin Wong comparison. The threads related to this are now closed. Please do not start another one.

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