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My "kodachrome/classic chrome" Pen-F settings (update)

Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by GarethB, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. GarethB

    GarethB Mu-43 Regular

    94
    Jul 21, 2016
    Hey guys,

    I've personally been quite taken with the Fuji Classic Chrome look after looking at their X100 series cameras, and I know the Kodachrome style is quite sort after by plenty of people.
    Due to the fact I can't just buy an X100F right now to get that look and already have a Pen-F with some tweakable options I've been trying to experiment with colour matching a base Pen-F RAW file to a Koda/Classic Chrome look within Photoshop (along with some eyeballing). After my adjustments I transposed that as best I can to the limited options we have available for adjustments in-body on a Pen-F camera.
    I thought people might be interested in giving it a try and seeing what they thought. Bear in mind I'm not any kind of kodachrome or colour matching expert, just a hobbyist photographer experimenting.

    Here is what I have come to so far:

    (Curves)
    Shadows = -5
    Mid-tone = -2 (possibly -1 is better)
    Highlights= -1

    (Colour Profile)
    Yellow: -1
    Orange: -1
    Red: -1
    Redish/Pinkish: -2
    Magenta: -1
    Purple: -1
    Blue: -3 (-2 maybe)
    Blue/Aqua: -2
    Cyan: - 2
    Mint Green: -1
    Green: -1
    Lime: -1

    (White Balance Offset)
    A = 0
    G = +1

    There is a good chance these are way off, but if anybody wants to try it please let me know your thoughts and if you have any suggestions for tweaks.

    Cheers,

    Gareth
     
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  2. GarethB

    GarethB Mu-43 Regular

    94
    Jul 21, 2016
    After a review of my own settings above I didn't feel they were right, so have been working towards trying to create a closer reproduction.
    My current settings are as follows, for which I was going for a Kodachrome 25 style (heavily desaturated greens seem to have been a characteristic of the 25 version):

    Contrast = +2

    (Curves)
    Shadows = -5
    Mid-tone = +3 or +2
    Highlights= -2

    (Colour Profile)
    Yellow: -2
    Orange: +1
    Red: +1
    Redish/Pinkish: -1
    Magenta: -1
    Purple: +2
    Blue: -3
    Blue/Aqua: -2
    Cyan: - 4
    Mint Green: -4
    Green: -4
    Lime: -5

    (White Balance Offset)
    A = -2
    G = +2

    I'm going to try make a Kodachrome 64 type of set-up during the week (probably the more recognisable of the two).

    Something to note if anybody tries these or to create their own, is that there are certain shifts to colour hues that aren't reproducible in camera.
     
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  3. barry13

    barry13 Super Moderator; Photon Wrangler Subscribing Member

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    Barry
    Hi, will you be posting some sample images?
    Thanks!
     
  4. GarethB

    GarethB Mu-43 Regular

    94
    Jul 21, 2016
    This was a quick shot to test the colours during my tweaking, so ignoring the composition this gives an idea of the reddish/pinky/orangey flower, the greens and a bit of blue in the background.
    OI000001.
    PEN-F    OLYMPUS M.17mm F1.8    17mm    f/1.8    1/1600s    ISO 200
     
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  5. ijm5012

    ijm5012 Mu-43 Legend

    Oct 2, 2013
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Ian
    Very nice. The greens/pinks/yellows are all nicely desaturated, but the blue tarp (?) still really stands out. In addition to being quite saturated, its hue is also very "blue", whereas the hue should be skewed towards green so that it is more aqua/turquois.

    Very nice so far though!
     
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  6. GarethB

    GarethB Mu-43 Regular

    94
    Jul 21, 2016
    Yep, it's an old garden tarp - good eye!
    It is a very blue blue in real life, but I agree I think it could do with a bit of a hue shift. Unfortunately I think the limitations on the Pen-F colour profile mode mean it'll never be an completely accurate copy (you can only adjust saturations, not hues). Do you feel adding more green in the white balance offset would help get it closer?
     
  7. 2112

    2112 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Wonder if this will work with my E-P5?
     
  8. JamesD172

    JamesD172 Mu-43 Veteran

    494
    Aug 18, 2016
    James Dolezal
    You can't adjust hues on the Pen-F? You can on the em5-ii to a limited degree (with the color picker)
     
  9. GarethB

    GarethB Mu-43 Regular

    94
    Jul 21, 2016
    When it comes to shifting hues of colours you can only adjust the overall white balance, white balance offset (where you can further adjust WB with blue/amber and green/magenta) or seperate from the Colour Profile mode there is CRT/Colour Creator Mode where you can basically apply a colour cast to the image as a whole
    You can't adjust only the blues in the picture to look a bit more green, or just yellows to look more orange for example.
    If Olympus added this to the colour saturation controls already there (and individual colour luminance so you basically have all the HSL control you have in Lightroom) then the Pen-F would be pretty amazing with it's versatility.
     
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  10. ijm5012

    ijm5012 Mu-43 Legend

    Oct 2, 2013
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Ian
    I wouldn't. You'd be sacrificing the color accuracy of the entire photo simply to shift the blue hue. If anything, maybe desaturate the blues a bit more (if that's possible)

    The green/pink/yellow tones looked great, as did the crushed shadows. It really helps the flower "pop".
     
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  11. Pecos

    Pecos Mu-43 Top Veteran

    883
    Jan 20, 2013
    The Natural State
    That is fantastic @GarethB@GarethB - nice look, if not exactly like K25 still really nice (who can remember?).
    I wonder if you had any luck in finding settings that approximate K64, which would be nice; or Provia, which would be really nice.
    I've set up the K25 emulation you outlined above as Custom Setting C1 in my Pen F. Now, just a turn of the top dial does it.
    Thanks!
     
  12. Drdul

    Drdul Mu-43 Veteran Subscribing Member

    287
    May 16, 2015
    Vancouver, BC
    Richard
    Is there a way to achieve the Kodachrome 25 look that @GarethB@GarethB posted above without adjusting the contrast and white balance? I would think that I could add more contrast in the tone curve by increasing the highlights and decreasing the shadows, avoiding the need to set the contrast at +2. Can I also adjust the 12 colours on the dial to achieve the same effect as the WB shift?

    I have used up the four custom settings on the mode dial so I can't save the contrast and WB settings as a separate custom setting, and I don't want to have those settings apply to all my photos regardless of the colour profile setting.
     
  13. GarethB

    GarethB Mu-43 Regular

    94
    Jul 21, 2016
    Thanks @Pecos@Pecos !
    I didn't do much on the Kodachrome 64-style set-up, but this is a rough attempt I did:

    (Curves)
    Shadows = -6
    Mid-tone = +2
    Highlights= -2

    (Colour Profile)
    Yellow: -3
    Orange: 0
    Red: 0
    Redish/Pinkish: +1
    Magenta: -2
    Purple: -1
    Blue: -2
    Blue/Aqua: -1
    Cyan: - 3
    Mint Green: -2
    Green: -4
    Lime: -4

    No contrast change, but you might want to add a touch of Amber/Red in the white balance.

    @Drdul@Drdul The problem with trying to emulate a film is that we can only adjust saturation on the Pen-F, but to really get a more accurate set-up we would need to be able to adjust Hue and Lightness for each colour as well. That is partly why I tried changing the White Balance adjustments, to add a bit of hue adjustment.

    I'm still dreaming of the day Olympus add the whole Hue, Saturation, Lightness options to the colour profiles (and RGB curves whilst they're at it!)
     
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  14. Drdul

    Drdul Mu-43 Veteran Subscribing Member

    287
    May 16, 2015
    Vancouver, BC
    Richard
    @GarethB@GarethB: That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation, and for posting your Kodachrome recipes.
     
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